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TripL7

Trad climber

san diego

Jan 16, 2010 - 01:06am PT

"Any real God would be out there for everybody".

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son..."

"Sorry for the fun 777."

No need to be sorry Doc!!

Having plenty of fun...Hahaha.

MH2

climber

Jan 16, 2010 - 01:11am PT

But frankly, I believe it is just as it is stated...six day's.

Well, take me for a hamburger! All this time I didn't realize we had an old-skool Creationist with us. Wonders never cease.

MH2

climber

Jan 16, 2010 - 01:16am PT

NORTON!

jstan

climber

Jan 16, 2010 - 01:21am PT

This was bad. I deleted it.

Jan

Mountain climber

Okinawa, Japan

Jan 16, 2010 - 01:40am PT

An interesting story from the life of the Buddha.

On the banks of the Ganges, Buddha encountered a yogi who could walk on water all the across the mile wide river and was consequently very proud of himself. The Buddha asked him how many years it took to learn that trick and it turned out to be many. What a pity, the Buddha remarked, for you have cheated the ferryman out of his fare, and wasted a lot of time on a cheap trick when you could have been seeking enlightenment.

jstan

climber

Jan 16, 2010 - 02:04am PT

Also bad, also deleted.

Gobee

Trad climber

Los Angeles

Jan 16, 2010 - 02:07am PT

The plans of the heart belong to man,
but the answer of the tongue is from the Lord.

The Sadducees Ask About the Resurrection
Mark 12:18-27, And Sadducees came to him, who say that there is no resurrection. And they asked him a question, saying, “Teacher, Moses wrote for us that if a man's brother dies and leaves a wife, but leaves no child, the man must take the widow and raise up offspring for his brother. There were seven brothers; the first took a wife, and when he died left no offspring. And the second took her, and died, leaving no offspring. And the third likewise. And the seven left no offspring. Last of all the woman also died. In the resurrection, when they rise again, whose wife will she be? For the seven had her as wife.”

Jesus said to them, “Is this not the reason you are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God? For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. And as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God spoke to him, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not God of the dead, but of the living. You are quite wrong.”

The Rich Man and Lazarus
Luke 16:19-31, “There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’ And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father's house— for I have five brothers —so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’”

Daily Readings from the Life of Christ (vol.2) By John MacArthur http://www.gty.org/Radio/Archive

You Will Not Abandon My Soul
A Miktam of David.
Psalm 16, Preserve me, O God, for in you I take refuge.
I say to the Lord, “You are my Lord;
I have no good apart from you.”

As for the saints in the land, they are the excellent ones,
in whom is all my delight.

The sorrows of those who run after another god shall multiply;
their drink offerings of blood I will not pour out
or take their names on my lips.

The Lord is my chosen portion and my cup;
you hold my lot.
The lines have fallen for me in pleasant places;
indeed, I have a beautiful inheritance.

I bless the Lord who gives me counsel;
in the night also my heart instructs me.
I have set the Lord always before me;
because he is at my right hand, I shall not be shaken.

Therefore my heart is glad, and my whole being rejoices;
my flesh also dwells secure.
For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol,
or let your holy one see corruption.

You make known to me the path of life;
in your presence there is fullness of joy;
at your right hand are pleasures forevermore.

MH2

climber

Jan 16, 2010 - 03:15pm PT

TripL7 said:

The closest I came to that was saying that perhaps God created the earth with age. Or that light shined instantly.

So a few thousand years ago God created spacetime, billions of galaxies, jiggered the speed of light, added a microwave background, left a bunch of fossils on planet earth, and produced maybe 100 million different kinds of bacteria and a small miscellany of other life forms, when all he really needed was a vaccuum fluctuation or singularity if he had started earlier?

You might do well to contemplate:

What a pity, the Buddha remarked, for you have cheated the ferryman out of his fare, and wasted a lot of time on a cheap trick when you could have been seeking enlightenment.

The old New Yorker cartoon. Two women in beach chairs. One telling the other, "I stopped listening to reason and my headache went away."

Karl Baba

Trad climber

Yosemite, Ca

Jan 16, 2010 - 03:52pm PT

As only as a part of God's creation. No! The closest I came to that was saying that perhaps God created the earth with age. Or that light shined instantly.

But frankly, I believe it is just as it is stated...six day's.

Wouldn't the "Six days" be a prime example of something to be taken metaphorically?

After all, when the Sun and the Earth haven't even been created yet, how do you define a day?

Christianity isn't a scientific religion that aims to explain the cosmos. It's a devotional religion when you purify your heart and are transformed by radical love. By trying to tweak science out of the Bible, Christians expose themselves to folly.

Peace

Karl

TripL7

Trad climber

san diego

Jan 16, 2010 - 05:45pm PT

Karl- "Trying to tweak science out of the Bible".

I could care less what science comes up with. And have no interest in trying to determine how God created the universe. And in an other 10, 100, 1,000 years if they are given the time, science will have new ways of determining the age of the earth and excuses for the flagrant failures of current day tests to evaluate time and the earth and universe.

God created time...Saint Augustine stated this over 500 years ago! And now , after all these years, modern day physics came to the same conclusion. Time had a beggining...go figure!!

"A day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like a day!" I can comprehend this!

I have a relationship that you can not comprehend. That is what I have to share! I personally know this Creator. He has done miraculous things in my life.

I don't need to have anything proved to me!

If He said He did it in a day, He did it in a day. He has already proved His existence to me...why should I question His ability to get his Word to all mankind?

I look at the universe and marvel at His majesty. You look at it and wonder were it all came from...something from nothing.

And then attempt to humiliate me with snipes and snide remarks "wonders never seize".

"The blind leading the blind."

EDIT: Karl, only that I am not interested in tweaking out science from the Bible applies to you...the rest is directed towards MH2 et al.

Karl Baba

Trad climber

Yosemite, Ca

Jan 16, 2010 - 06:04pm PT

Dude, I respect your faith, I'm just encouraging you to do so with wisdom and discernment.

When Christ and the disciples were getting ready to enter a village to preach, he told them not to eat the local bread. The disciples got worried about hunger with no bread but Jesus basically said "look dummies, I'm talking about the 'spiritual bread' of their beliefs, not the literal bread"

so when you write

If He said He did it in a day, He did it in a day. He has already proved His existence to me...why should I question His ability to get his Word
to all mankind?

I'm just saying you're taking it too literally. A day doesn't mean a day so why jump through hoops to make it so. For Humans, a day means the revolution of the earth on it's axis. No sun, no earth and a day has no meaning that we understand.

Peace

Karl

TripL7

Trad climber

san diego

Jan 16, 2010 - 08:10pm PT

Karl, I also have respect for your beliefs, insight, and perspective.

Thanks for the encouragement!

Gobee

Trad climber

Los Angeles

Jan 16, 2010 - 08:17pm PT

Proverbs 16:5, Whoever mocks the poor insults his Maker;
he who is glad at calamity will not go unpunished.

Prayers and good will for Haiti!

My daughter had me send her next three weeks allowance to,
http://www.clintonbushhaitifund.com
...

That Wile E Jester, Norwegian said;
"l vs 1. numeralogy wins everytime."

Finally, we agree on something;
Deuteronomy 6:4, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

...

Daily Readings from the Life of Christ (vol.2) By John MacArthur http://www.gty.org/Radio/Archive

In the Shadow of Your Wings
A Prayer of David.
Psalm 17, Hear a just cause, O Lord; attend to my cry!
Give ear to my prayer from lips free of deceit!
2 From your presence let my vindication come!
Let your eyes behold the right!

3 You have tried my heart, you have visited me by night,
you have tested me, and you will find nothing;
I have purposed that my mouth will not transgress.
4 With regard to the works of man, by the word of your lips
I have avoided the ways of the violent.
5 My steps have held fast to your paths;
my feet have not slipped.

6 I call upon you, for you will answer me, O God;
incline your ear to me; hear my words.
7 Wondrously show your steadfast love,
O Savior of those who seek refuge
from their adversaries at your right hand.

8 Keep me as the apple of your eye;
hide me in the shadow of your wings,
9 from the wicked who do me violence,
my deadly enemies who surround me.

10 They close their hearts to pity;
with their mouths they speak arrogantly.
11 They have now surrounded our steps;
they set their eyes to cast us to the ground.
12 He is like a lion eager to tear,
as a young lion lurking in ambush.

13 Arise, O Lord! Confront him, subdue him!
Deliver my soul from the wicked by your sword,
14 from men by your hand, O Lord,
from men of the world whose portion is in this life.
You fill their womb with treasure;
they are satisfied with children,
and they leave their abundance to their infants.

15 As for me, I shall behold your face in righteousness;
when I awake, I shall be satisfied with your likeness

cintune

climber

the Moon and Antarctica

Jan 16, 2010 - 08:39pm PT

But now my mind is filled with rubber tires
and forest fires and whether I'm a liar
and lots of other situations where I don't know
what to do at which time God screams to me
“There's nothing left for me to tell you."
"Nothing left for me to tell you."
"Nothing left.”
Oh well, oh well, oh well,
Oh well,
Oh well, oh well, oh well.
Oh well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMBvj20umQE

MH2

climber

Jan 17, 2010 - 12:31am PT

I have a relationship that you can not comprehend. That is what I have to share!

I see the problem, then.

MH2

climber

Jan 17, 2010 - 01:53am PT

Get a life.

Are you worried about dealing with literalists?

Just to be cautious I did consult the dictionary. It was confusing at best.

Trying the heuristic (involving or serving as an aid to learning, discovery, or problem-solving by experimental and especially trial-and-error methods) approach.

WBraun

climber

Jan 17, 2010 - 02:31am PT

Why worry about a Dr F, Rox.

He's a nobody and not any authority on anything except his own bullsh'it about this subject matter in this thread.

Jan

Mountain climber

Okinawa, Japan

Jan 17, 2010 - 07:52am PT

So I am likely one of the worlds few professed agnostics (or non-christian ) believers in Christ

I think you'd be amazed at how many non Christian believers in Christ there are. There's a couple hundred million in Asia at least.

The reality is, Christ does not belong exclusively to the Christians nor Buddha to the Buddhists in our new global culture.

Nor can anyone control anymore how people interpret the various scriptures of the world, which in any case will not be the same interpretation as that of western fundamentalists.