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climber
Boulder, CO
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It's May Day in The Peoples Republic of Boulder and we got 9" of snow. Global warming is a hoax!
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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At times it was both much warmer and had much higher atmospheric CO2 while plants and animals thrived. Yes, that's one of the dirty legal secrets that the alarmist crowd likes to keep quiet about: warmer temps + incrased CO2 = more biomass (which will actually serve as negative feedack on CO2 levels, as NASA has made clear in a report cited earlier in this thread).
Climate change (whatever the cause) will require some localized adaptation for sure--big freakin deal!
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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"Localized adaptation for sure". Dont forget to blame the "alarmers" for your next drought.
You guys are right ,your right ,your always RIGHT.
Rick,i saw earlier that you wont use any alternative energy products in your houses,because they are subsidized.Do you leave your truck or plane sit for the same reason?Your arguments smell of a fossil fuel investors,which is where this is all at anyway.
You and Ron are defending the 2% of scientists that get paid by the top 2% of moneymakers.
You ask ED,why all the links? Where are yours ?Afraid to post em up?
your right ,your right ,your always RIGHT.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Dont forget to blame the "alarmers" for your next drought.
Well don't forget to thank the "deniers" for all the lush vegetation you'll get due to the higher temps and increased CO2!
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Yes, that's one of the dirty legal secrets that the alarmist crowd likes to keep quiet about: warmer temps + incrased CO2 = more biomass (which will actually serve as negative feedack on CO2 levels, as NASA has made clear in a report cited earlier in this thread).
Climate change (whatever the cause) will require some localized adaptation for sure--big freakin deal!
Blahblah; the increased CO2 levels can temporarily help biomass in select areas, but overall, the biosystem can in no way, or even begin to absorb all the CO2 we are throwing at it. That is why CO2 continues to build year after year. We are burning what took many millions of years to absorb within just 2 centuries. None of what you say is true anyway. Biomass is shrinking and drying out worldwide, but believe what you will. The Amazon is shrinking and drying, much like the Arctic ice.......If the Amazon is going, not much else has a chance. But let's all just close our eyes!
What the heads of the denial movement don't tell you guys, when they roll out the fact that CO2 has been higher in the past, is that it was much more moist and much warmer and probably cloudier and probably much less hospitable for humans. Humans were not around when CO2 levels were super high......the two were many millions of years separated. Many in the denial movement also believe the Earth is no more than 6,000 years old. That is the company they/you keep. Science? Who needs it?!
http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-higher-in-past.htm
You ask ED,why all the links? Where are yours ?Afraid to post em up?
You bet they are afraid to post them because they have no idea of the credibility therein. They believe what they believe because it is comfortable to believe it. It's like baby food - better known as Pablum.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Damn straight HcHale...
Sorry been drinkin.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Don't apologize for drinking. Hell, I'm gonna go grab one.
..... Looks like it be a pint of Hop Juice from Left Coast Brewing. I'm not sure I'm up to it but what the hell, you know?! :>)
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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We're all in this togeder. I sure don't mean to make enemies. If I'm lucky I'm here 10 more years. The planet - may as well be forever....Yahoo!
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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What denial movement McHale? You must mean the thousands of independent scientists not in agreement, you must also mean the millions of citizens that are tired of being bamboozled. And by denial do you mean a catastrophe that has not happened like predicted and will not happen no matter how much hot air the catastrophists try to blow on the public?
Wilbeer-i'm not defending 2% of scientists, i'm trying to make you guys aware there are thousands of scientists that have done work in this field and know the warmists to be incorrect. Below i list a small number of the total.Please if you have time google them. First you will note that lots of them are highly honored and work at many of the most prestigious scientific institutions on the planet. Second you will note the organized campaign efforts to discredit or even destroy their careers. I've also included a link to a couple of interesting articles you will want to see.
Scientists in disagreement with the "consensus view"-Judith Curry,Richard Lindzen, William Happer,Ian Plimmer,Chris d. Freitas,Roy Spencer, John Cristy, Fred Singer, Don J. Easterbrook, Bjorn Lomborg, Tom Tripp, Leonard Weinstein, Robert B. Laughlin,Christopher J. Kobus, Anatoly Levitin, Geraldo luis Lino, Mary Mumper, William c. Gilbert, Hans Jelbring, John Reid, Antonis Christofides, Pavel Makerevich, Hilton Ratcliffe, Hal Lewis, Judith Curry, James Lovelock, Denis Rancourt,Kiminori Itoh,William Kininmonth, Etc. Etc. etc......................................
http://ricochet.com/main-feed/50-NASA-Scientists-Against-Global-Warming
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/04/30/global-warming-alarm-continued-cooling-may-jeopardize-climate-science-and-green-energy-funding/
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Rick, you forgot Tallbloke, the guy that does his best to misquote the East Anglia guys, and at a criminal level. You really should start quoting him - I'm sure he has some angle on the thing that is causing the storm on Saturn and in turn is causing our distress. I told him climate is more local than that, cause we're dealing with a very powerful being called man, who has quite a lot of leverage at his disposal - who is capable of putting hundreds of millions of years of sequestered carbon into the atmosphere in NO time at all. The dudes controlling Saturn don't even have that power.
I don't know.....how long you been climate blogging? You seem kind of new at this. You seemed young until you said you had 2 boys. You should have more respect for the 'real' scientists, but not being one, and probably not knowing any, yer out in right field. The thing about real scientists is they tend to be pretty conservative about making big pronouncements, so when they do make em, you should listen just a little....it never hurts that much.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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McHale- i thought from your previous post you had a few beers under your belt and were feeling better. As for scientists, i know many including three in my immediate family.Blow off your steam elsewhere McHale, i'm not going to listen any longer as you appear to be a lost cause.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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OK - edit. I'm still just 2/3 into that pint. I guess I offended you. I'm going to guess you are a liar when you say how many scientists you know. The thing about liars is they are too stupid to realize other people can see them, their ass and pants on fire and all that. Sorry man, it's shitty good beer! I really do hope we can shake hands and hug, it's so much better than bloody fists!
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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NO! LOL! NO! I just watched the beginning - will watch the rest tomorrow - got to get back to my beer. F*#king tree huggers!
I finished that dreadful video but it inspired me to go back through some of Ricks posts and I found this;
We are arguing over an ideology, almost a religion for those that have no other spiritual beliefs.
Rick has us peggered!
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Very funny Bruce-i had a good laugh over your last post.Here is what i can tell you though;as much fun as i'm having, i'm not going to be able to continue contributing significant portions of time to this masochistic dance we are engaged in, instead my participation will vary and i will, at minumum, check in time to time over a period of years as conditons of the state of collapse of the "catastrophist" arguement warrants.
Ed has said "the contrary evidence is increasing not decreasing" and "Perhaps someone can post a reference to the science literature that seriously challenges the findings that anthropogenic sources are a significant driver of the contemporary climate"
I beg your pardon Ed, It seems the observed effects of AGW consistently fall at the low end of projections and are trending right off (below) the multi-billion dollar plethora of "catastrophist" charts. Until such charts can accurately reflect the plateau we are at and then accurately reflect the natural regulating mechanisms that the "science" has under valued the contrary evidence will increase. The scientists involved should reread the reams of papers and data that they spent those billions of dollars to dismiss for clues to what they might have missed.Here's a question for you-why are the natural CO2 sinks increasing uptake instead of reaching the predicted capacity? We just finished what might well go down in history as one of the most severe and lengthy winters ever in the northern hemisphere on average. There are some pretty impressively credentialed solar scientists that are predicting decreased solar irradiance starting in 2013 and continuing for decades to come, so lets cool our jets and see if this materializes and if the estimate your guys make for solar variation forcing hold true.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Here are two new papers for our interested scientists review and comment
The surface response to 11 yr. solar forcing during northern winter: observations analyses and comparisons with gcm simulations. Climate 2013 by Hood, Schiamanke, Spangehi, Bal, Cubasch
Evaluation of multidecadal variability in CMIP5 surface solare radiation and inferred underestimation of aerosol direct effects over Europe, China, Japan and India. Jounal of Geophysical Research 2013 by R.J. Allen and J.R. Norris
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Here's a question for you-why are the natural CO2 sinks increasing uptake instead of reaching the predicted capacity?
Well, if we take the ocean, for example, one of the largest sinks, it is increasing uptake becasue we as Humans keep suppling CO2 that comes from outside the normal balance. Oceans can do this for awhile but as the oceans heat up, this capacity is reduced and the atmosphere will have to hold even more. CO2 levels in the oceans and the atmosphere would not continue to increase if other sinks, like green stuff, were not at capacity. The oceans and atmosphere can hold much much more of course, but what AGW is all about is that there are limits to what life 'as we know it' in the biosphere can tolerate. So, it's not so much whether sinks are at capacity or not, but what the effects of saturation will be.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Bruce- google Academic Kids Dictionary-proxies of Solar variation
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Yeah Bruce, start Googling and educate yourself.....and then you can stop claiming you are not an expert. Here, to save you some tough work I found a good link for you....just to get started. There's plenty more where this came from; http://www.6000years.org/frame.php?page=dinosaurs
Bruce, your biggest problem is in your beliefs. Since we have no bonefide spiritual beliefs as Rick suggested, we'll believe darn near any f*#king thing that comes along, rather than the right stuff.
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