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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 28, 2013 - 11:57am PT
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Didn't forget the last ten years, or even twenty years Wilbeer. I made a point of mentioning them. Been studying up on Earth Sciences, books pro and con on Global Warming, scientific papers on the subject, studies of the reason why we have reached such a state of hysteria over the subject.
There is some scientific anticipation of unusually quiet solar cycles that we are in and projected to continue in for a period in the future. This, if it unfolds like some think, will be an interesting test of the low value the "consensus gang" ascribes to variation in solar variability in their models.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Apr 28, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
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In any event, you should probably stay away from Alex Jones. Geez.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Apr 28, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
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Hey Rick i can agree,and i can go back 35 winters.
No expert.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Apr 28, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
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An 'outsider' visiting our planet and given the numbers of how much fossil fuel humans burn everday, absolutely collosal amounts, would clearly see that we are terraforming the planet, and in a very ignorant way.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 28, 2013 - 10:50pm PT
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Now where are the damn scientists when you need them? Upstream a few posts i had questions-any answers?You guys aren't actually out climbing are you? I must admit i took advantage of a bluebird 40 degree day to toprope with my wife on a wind sheltered south face, one of the few areas nearby at tidewater that isn't snowed under.
Wilbeer what does your local 35 year climate history tell you?
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 30, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
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Abrams it seems that the unusually long winter in Ak is not an isolated case if that image from Montana is current. Here there are snow flurries today and a another winter like storm predicted for late in the week-this is on top of the longest winter in over 30 years already. Winter conditions across the mid to higher latitudes of the northern hemisphere were of historic proportions this year. A new all time low temperature record of -96 degrees was seen this winter in Siberia. Solar cycle 24 has shown unusually low sunspot activity. A lot of scientists say the next several solar cycles may well be of Maunder Minimum levels of low activity.Are we possibly headed into a new little ice age event? Where are our resident scientists to dispel such notions?
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Apr 30, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
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Now where are the damn scientists when you need them? Upstream a few posts i had questions-any answers?
Lower energy solar cycles can lull us into a false sense of security. Also, climate change or global warming means climate disruption, not warmer winters in any particular place. Also, I'm sure the 'damn' scientists are eager to answer your questions Rick. It's clear you are not one and probably never thought about being one.
Just to put the current cycle in perspective;
http://www.arrl.org/news/solar-cycle-24-may-have-double-peaks-says-nasa-solar-physicist
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Apr 30, 2013 - 09:08pm PT
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Rick ,i am a carpenter/builder ,i ran a framing crew in the 80s and 90s,didnt have much of a life and worked straight thru 7 month winters.
The last 10 winters here were not winters in that very short comparsion time.
This year was not much of winter till after the first of the year.
We used to ski right up to june,regularly.We may this year,but not really for the last 15.
It is amazing the doubters.
Yeah ,winter has hung on,there still snow in the dacks and vermont.
Really ,though it does not even put a dent in the numbers,as shown by Chiloe,etc. right here on this thread.[an amazing resource].
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 30, 2013 - 09:20pm PT
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McHale are you an unwitting foot soldier spinning contrary evidence into twisted interpretations of AGW or a damn scientist? Wilbeer- i can only tell you as the global warmists would answer-your localized weather is not indicative of global conditions and global cooling would effect different locales in sometimes contrary ways.
Here is a recent news story for those who care to know.
http://www.cdapress.com/columns/cliff_harris/article_235e518a-7704-54af-9197-5b5e7cfc157d.html
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Apr 30, 2013 - 09:22pm PT
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In summary ,do you want to believe the ideology or do you want to believe the science.I went to school for geology,the earth is warming rather quickly,from my physical observations. No ideology needed.
I have been a few places.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 30, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
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Rick, you would disagree that water is wet and the sky is blue.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 30, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
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Or was it warming Wilbeer, hitting a peak in the El Nino year of 1998 and trending down slightly till this year? Let's just see what the coming years serves us up for climate conditions before we allow our cabal of scientists, politicians, and NGO's to implement "the cure" for the dire consequences they predict from AGW.The scheme is collapsing in Europe along with the continental economy and China in the mean time has far surpassed us in CO2 emissions. If you guys want to feel like your doing anything to meaningfully reduce CO2 go to China and India and convince them how ignorant they are.
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abrams
Sport climber
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Apr 30, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
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gullible people fall for the world is about to end story so regularly it must have a long scientific name.
Gullible people are especially vulnerable to the carbon tax exploitation arguments.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 30, 2013 - 09:41pm PT
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Yes you are right Abrams. It seems as much as 50% of our population has fallen for the Catastrophic Global Warming hysteria.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Apr 30, 2013 - 09:42pm PT
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I hope yer right for are grandkids sake.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 30, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
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Dig deep Kenny. Read all the material you can find on the subject. Don't be diverted by the scorn,ridicule, and derision the cabal heaps on the many scientists who publish dissenting opinions in the peer reviewed scientific periodicals they don't control. The truth is out there, and it is no where near as catastrophic as the consensus gang would lead you to believe.
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Chewybacca
Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
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Apr 30, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
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I hate to break it to you Rick but everything you said about our winter in Montana this year is wrong. We've had a short, mild winter this year. In fact the link Abrams posted shows how low the snow pack is for the end of April. On the west side we haven't had one day below zero, just like last year. Even the record breaking snows of 2010-2011 came with relatively warm temps.
I'm actually headed to Two Medicine tomorrow for a few days of skeezin, then up to Many Glacier.
Here is a link to some photos showing the shrinking and disappearing glaciers.
http://www.nrmsc.usgs.gov/repeatphoto/overview.htm
Click on any of the glaciers listed on the left to see how much they have changed.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Apr 30, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
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That was from Abrams Chewy. He referenced two medicine Mt. I guess then i misinterpreted the MT to mean Montana? Doesn't really matter though where in the n.w. america's its at, we still had an unusually severe and long lasting winter in the northern hemisphere mid to high latitudes overall.
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