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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Nov 26, 2009 - 08:36pm PT
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PS - don't bother flaming me on this "climbing" (aka fighting) thread as I am not returning to it.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Nov 26, 2009 - 09:30pm PT
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Holy Loisification, Batman!
OK, OK, so I finally managed to read through Richard's tome. Translation: "WTF is up your a*#, Steve? We just don't get it. Please explain truthfully."
Edit: Oh, fer fvck's sake, Chris - can't we even say "ass" on McTopo?
Double edit: Hell yeah, we can say "ass" - just put it in quotes!
Triple edit: "F*#k" me, that's funny! Oh "shit", it didn't work. Sheesh.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Nov 26, 2009 - 09:55pm PT
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Happy thanksgiving everyone!
I can't imagine a better resolution to this than Steve going up there.
What an incredible twist that would be in this crazy drama.
I think it would be a stand-up move, especially at his age. I really hope he goes for it.
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Lambone
Ice climber
Ashland, Or
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Nov 26, 2009 - 10:58pm PT
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LEB,
ussualy I just ignore you... But in this case I have to say. STFU!
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 26, 2009 - 10:59pm PT
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it boggles my mind why you all are allowed to drill stuff, pound stuff, nail stuff, drill bolts, etc.
Would "Black Elk" allow it?
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Nov 26, 2009 - 11:00pm PT
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mmmmmmm-hm
uuuuuuuuuh-huh
go ahead people-
line up right here, just to say it once out loud, that i was right all long...
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 26, 2009 - 11:05pm PT
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Or should I say "Chief Tenaya" ......
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Nov 26, 2009 - 11:12pm PT
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HowWeirdLois wrote:
PS - don't bother flaming me on this "climbing" (aka fighting) thread as I am not returning to it.
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Nov 26, 2009 - 11:16pm PT
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PS - don't bother flaming me on this "climbing" (aka fighting) thread as I am not returning to it.
It's alive!!!!!!!!!!!1111
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Nov 26, 2009 - 11:24pm PT
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PS - don't bother flaming me on this "climbing" (aka fighting) thread as I am not returning to it.
It's ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!1111
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Nov 26, 2009 - 11:30pm PT
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God help us...
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Walla Walla, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2009 - 12:56am PT
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I almost hurt myself laughing as I was catching up and reading Karl's "...so this thread can have it's own pure dysfunction," but when I read the rest of what followed, ending with Hardman's "God help us..." I did hurt myself. Even Pete's sorry attempts to swear effectively were hilarious to me.
Some very funny stuff on the taco today, this thread no exception.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Nov 27, 2009 - 01:09am PT
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I've tried to refrain from posting on this, as it seems like much ado about nothing.
But interesting reading none the less.
If I happen to see Tim Wagner, I'll see if I can get his take, since it sounds like he at least has lead some of the pitches in question.
Though this has gone far enough, there may be no hope.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Walla Walla, WA
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2009 - 01:20am PT
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Stevep, no point in yet more first-hand, eye-witness testimony. The "other side" has so far refused to admit all such testimony.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Nov 27, 2009 - 03:50am PT
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hey there say all... someone just mentioned in another post how they were going to set time aside to read "this whole thread" ... oh my...
when hearing "such" on ol' supertopo, seems this is a "need be" in "education" here... ;)
well, very interesting variety to be seen here on this subject, and glad i am adding it to my supertopo learning-and-appreciation of who you all are...
hhhmmm, and even now, i soaking-up the "odd twist" in the current that turns-up at times, and how you all seek to "tame them" in various ways:
*kind of like river-rafting... wow, no place like supertopo...
over and out, now... thanks for sharing, guys..
:)
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 27, 2009 - 03:55am PT
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The Lois Virus....can it cross the blood brain barrier?
In this case LEB, your infestation might actually be mercy killing!
;=)
Karl
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Nov 27, 2009 - 09:49am PT
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SG
rapell inspection is weak. Either climb the rout or STFU!! It realy is that simple.
I know nothing about this other than what I have gotten from these threads but your behavior is conssistant with someone who has a guilty concience. The loudest guy in the room is usually the one who did the deed. In this case that would make you the lowlife crapper?
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Nov 27, 2009 - 12:41pm PT
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i'm rather certain the crapper is not in this room.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Nov 27, 2009 - 12:48pm PT
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Nature is correct. Mark and Richard have told me the names of the two crappers, and one of them is KNOTT Steve Grossman. I know one of the crappers to see him, and he knows me, but the other I know nothing about. The one I know can still be found in Yosemite, but never on internet forums.
I am sure that if these guys were simply to apologize to Mark and Richard and accept their repeatedly presented olive branches, all would be forgiven, because that is the nature of Mark and Richard. It would be a sporting gesture on the crappers' part, for sure.
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Nov 27, 2009 - 01:04pm PT
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Richard, Mark,
At what point are you going to be happy and finished with this whole affair? You must know that you will never convince everyone and I suspect SG succeeding or failing on your route won't really end the discussion.
Is Victory out there for you? Vindication? At what point does it all end? At what point are you going to be happy?
Case in point: ME.
I wasn't in the Valley when this whole deal went down. I've done a few El Cap routes but I freak out on old school A3. I don't think I've ever placed a hook on anything less than a bomber incut flake. I'm not in position to argue about your route. I "heard", like everyone else did, that it was pretty much a bolt ladder and really wasn't too happy with that. I heard about the shitting affair and thought it was disgusting and childish. But hey, it didn't ruin my life, I went on and had many, many years of climbing. I even walked under your route few times and never even thought of it!
So, I've read this whole thread. I'm one of those guys who basically trust people. You've laid out what you did. I trust you're not lying. I believe you. Some other pretty experienced climbers have been up on your route and have found it to be pretty hard and not "botched". I trust them. I'm done with it. I ain't going up there, that's for dang sure so it really makes no difference to me.
All in all, I've now learned something about your route. I've made a decision and I'm done. I'll probably still walk under your route and not even think about it!
So I'm one guy you've changed from "didn't really care" and "I've heard the route was botched" to "still doesn't really care" and "it seems the route wasn't botched".
What now? When does it end?
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