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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2010 - 10:50pm PT
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Dr. F, re-read the book. And read a history book too.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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How's that Iraq thing doing? Must be swell over there since I don't hear anything about it anymore.
I'll ask my kid when he gets back next month.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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The Russians tried to conquer Afghanistan with no regard for civilians, it was an indiscriminate takeover! Of course, the ENTIRE country rallied against them with a little help from their anti-commie friends, U.S.
What we're doing there now is way different, and unlike anything anybody had done before.
Wow! Did you miss the news about the 27 civilians we killed last week? Or just conveniently forget it?
In a video distributed Tuesday in Dari and Pashto, the main languages spoken in Afghanistan, the top NATO commander here Gen. Stanley McChrystal said he was sorry to the nation for 27 civilian deaths, after US special forces killed a convoy of Afghan civilians they had mistaken for insurgents. It was the coalition’s deadliest mistake in six months.
While public apologies by NATO have become almost commonplace – this was just one of half a dozen in the past 10 days, and the second by McChrystal himself – the push to admit mistakes and say sorry is unprecedented in NATO’s nine-year intervention in Afghanistan. It fits into McChyrstal’s new strategy that prioritizes winning over the population.
Doublethink in action!
To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which canceled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself -- that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 4, 2010 - 12:23pm PT
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The Russians tried to conquer Afghanistan with no regard for civilians, it was an indiscriminate takeover! Of course, the ENTIRE country rallied against them with a little help from their anti-commie friends, U.S.
What we're doing there now is way different, and unlike anything anybody had done before.
Wow! Did you miss the news about the 27 civilians we killed last week? Or just conveniently forget it?
Gary, we're getting off the the topic here, but re-read what I said. The Russians didn't really have a regard for killing civi's.
In our current operation, Moshatarak, that you cite, we had given a week's notice that we going to sweep through the area and it would be very dangerous for civilians. They were advised to leave for camps set up for them in Lashkar Gah.
We have a much higher regard for the welfare of civis...
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Sorry he had to go in the first place. Glad he's coming home.
He had a choice. He wanted to go.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Gary, we're getting off the the topic here, but re-read what I said. The Russians didn't really have a regard for killing civi's.
Oh, in that case I'm sure they feel a lot better knowing that they were killed in high regard.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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some don't really.
Then they should have not joined.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 23, 2010 - 07:42pm PT
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/Naxal-founder-Kanu-Sanyal-kills-himself/H1-Article1-522311.aspx
I actually know a Sikh communist from India. Operates a liquor store on my way to CRSP weekend climbs. He told me once he was a local town commie leader. I joked that we could no longer be friends. I said I was kidding...
He's a nice guy, 2 pothead kids I used to score from. We actually smoked a joint in the beer cooler once!
Anyway, Maoists in India are a somewhat manageable problem. The Indian aren't as PC at 'dispatching' the violent ones. They don't tolerate the whole neo-Marxist anarchy thing.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Mar 23, 2010 - 07:47pm PT
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Anyone care to discuss Prop 13? How's that working out for California? Who REALLY benefits from that
The little old lady who has had the same house for 50 years and who would otherwise be taxed out of her own house just because her neighbor sold theirs. She has no income and has no way to gain benefit from her neighbors house being sold yet that very thing would raise her taxes that she has to pay to stay it her own house.
That is who benefits.
Dave
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Mar 23, 2010 - 09:12pm PT
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Since the proverbial "little old lady"'s house has risen in value from $30 k to $650k over her holding period, I don't think it would have been impossible for her to take out a second mortgage if she was being outed for non-payment of taxes. Meanwhile the neighbor family has three kids, both parents have to work two jobs, so they can pay 10 times as much in taxes for the exact same house, since they had to buy high. What gives? Put the burden on the young and struggling.
But the real beneficiaries are the corporations - and they largely financed prop 13 originally. Since they are "perpetual" entities, they never die they never have to sell property, so they get to pay the same low tax rates in perpetuity.
Average residential house turns over every 8 years. But those who don't sell get windfall benefit. Why shouldn't everyone help pay for civilization equally?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 23, 2010 - 11:31pm PT
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Alex. What the f*#k is your problem????
If you give an obscure answer you're a fag.....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2010 - 12:58am PT
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dude, calling someone a fag is weak bro, come up with some new material.
A couple things...
1st reaction - F*#k off!!! Don't tell me what to say. Especially if it ain't FAG related!!!
2nd reaction - Why is that offensive to you? Is redneck, meth-head, whitey, cracker, white-trash or some other sh#t offensive?
Do we react equally?
Really? Think about it. Who's the racist?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2010 - 01:00am PT
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alex, don't even TRY to talk to me. You are crazy, or a troll.....
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apogee
climber
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Mar 24, 2010 - 02:15am PT
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"Think about it. Who's the racist? "
That was clear to me a long time ago. Didn't take a whole lot of thinking, either.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Mar 24, 2010 - 03:59am PT
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Is this thread still going on? I must admit I'm amazed! All rational argument ends when name calling begins.
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jstan
climber
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Mar 24, 2010 - 05:44pm PT
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You know when someone is going off the deep end, it seems an opportunity to move things in a better direction.
Fogeddaboutit.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 24, 2010 - 07:08pm PT
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Lot of longevity for a post about a subject as out of date as communism.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 24, 2010 - 07:14pm PT
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Damn! Hadn't thought about that.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 24, 2010 - 07:29pm PT
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Nah... I caught one just the other night hiding behind my wife's shoes in the closet.
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