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L
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Tiptoeing through the chilly waters of life
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Sep 20, 2017 - 04:48pm PT
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When Male Ducks Hang Out Together Their Dicks Get Longer
zBrown--That study had me laughing my head off.
And its relevancy to this thread is beyond amazing.
Custom fit.
Great post.
Thanks for the humor.
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Tarbuster
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Sep 20, 2017 - 04:49pm PT
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I read that Duck Dick study.
And the pictures so totally grossed me out!
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Tarbuster
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Sep 20, 2017 - 05:20pm PT
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Warbler and e(L)ektra ...
Meeting for a blind date ... and a friendly chat outside the downtown climbing gym:
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Tarbuster on the swing set, in the light blue blouse.
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L
climber
Tiptoeing through the chilly waters of life
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Sep 20, 2017 - 05:40pm PT
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Oh god, I almost wet my pants, Tarbuster!
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Polebridge, Montana
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Sep 20, 2017 - 06:40pm PT
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**Arne Duuuuude--are you kiddin' me?????
Then your ego did you a great disservice.
The SEXIEST men at the parties now are all bald**
Maybe now, but not so much in the early 70's :
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Tarbuster
climber
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Sep 20, 2017 - 08:36pm PT
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L say:
Oh god, I almost wet my pants, Tarbuster!
Luck you! (I pooped mine)
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Sep 21, 2017 - 06:27am PT
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What I've observed after watching several seasons of Naked and Afraid:
Going in, men are most likely to boast about there strength and prowess while disparaging their female partner.
By day 11, men are most likely to be in a fetal position, in tears with the female partner yelling at them to go collect firewood.
This is very scientific by the way...
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Tarbuster
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Sep 21, 2017 - 02:54pm PT
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It might be, Kevin, that overall, you are paddling your raft of objectivity too far out into emotional waters here.
It's one of the things I admire in you, especially where historicity in climbing is concerned, namely, that you strive for objectivity. (See Stonemasters book thread).
What is feminism without a patriarchal society?
I'd like to hear the answer to your assertion, but I don't imagine it's going to happen on a forum like this. Wrong venue. My theory is, that in these discussion forums, people are too caught up in the adrenaline of argumentation.
Could be, that through continuing education, women's studies, UCSD, you'll find someone with the detachment and critical thinking skills to respond to your assertion. Though, I'm guessing, whether that patriarchy exists is probably not an on or off switch sort of question.
That said, I just pulled these quotations from Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchy
Feminist theory defines patriarchy as an unjust social system that enforces gender roles and is oppressive to both men and women
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Prior to the widespread use of "patriarchy", feminists used the terms "male chauvinism" and "sexism" to refer roughly to the same phenomenon.[41] Author bell hooks argues that the new term identifies the ideological system itself (that men are inherently dominant or superior to women) that can be believed and acted upon by either men or women, whereas the earlier terms imply only men act as oppressors of women. This statement is critical in understanding the beliefs of the vast majority of feminists; believing and/or preaching otherwise only adds to the oppression of the patriarchy, and extends the length of its domain.
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The idea that patriarchy is natural has, however, come under attack from many sociologists, explaining that patriarchy evolved due to historical, rather than biological, conditions. In technologically simple societies, men's greater physical strength and women's common experience of pregnancy combined together to sustain patriarchy.[43] Gradually, technological advances, especially industrial machinery, diminished the primacy of physical strength in everyday life. Similarly, contraception has given women control over their reproductive cycle.[citation needed]
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The term patriarchy is often misused loosely to stand for "male domination", while the more rigorous definition lies with the literal interpretation: "the rule of the father".[62] So some people believe patriarchy does not refer to a simple binary pattern of male power over women, but power exerted more complexly by age as well as gender, and by older men over women, children, and younger men. Some of these younger men may inherit and therefore have a stake in continuing these conventions. Others may rebel.[63][64]
But I doubt a few quotes really answers the call. The Wikipedia entry is lengthy and complicated.
And I tried to incorporate a functional interpretation of patriarchy into my post here, but that doesn't really mean I know what I'm talking about:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=3000669&msg=3012653#msg3012653
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Anyhow, maybe I just need to get out of the way and wait and see what kind of response you get to your post just above.
And perhaps Cat will jump back in?
Happy sailing!
Roy
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 21, 2017 - 06:01pm PT
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Take that last train to Rolling Fork and I'll meet you at the station.
i cannot move my fingers are all in a knot
-Leon Knotsky
Don't put on any airs when you're down on Rue Morgue Avenue
They got some hungry women there and they really make a mess outta you
Apparently, nobody knows (or they're not saying) just how much Herman Melville was paid per word, but I would surmise that it was more than than a lot of those old bluzmen.
you get what you're paid for
-Johnny D'Conqueroo
My pistol may snap, my mojo is frail
But i rub my root, my luck will never fail
When i rub my root, my John the Conquer root
Aww, you know there ain't nothin' she can do, Lord,
I rub my John the Conquer root
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Who's on sax, you say?
the October 1964 session features J.T. Brown (may or may not have been my grandpa) on sax and clarinet on "Short Dress Woman" and "My John the Conqueror Root"
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Sep 21, 2017 - 06:06pm PT
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So Warbler, you take your cues from Jizzy Spunkbubbles?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 21, 2017 - 06:08pm PT
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Gwon, dust my broom
-J.T. (may or may not be my grandpa) Brown
L to R: Homesick James, J. T. Brown, Elmore James
Get on or off the bus, but don't stand in the crossroads!
[Click to View YouTube Video]
What more can I say?
А еще говорят что белый блюз хуже черного. Ерунда главное КТО его исполняет.
^Rough translation: "neither J.T. nor Homesick even surfed. did they?"
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Sep 21, 2017 - 06:09pm PT
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**It might be, Kevin, that overall, you are paddling your raft of objectivity too far out into emotional waters here.
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Roy, are you saying that ideas suspended in u there in mid-air don't make people happy? That's how I've been interpreting some of this discussion.
zBrown, I love that photo of Elmore, one of my favorites.
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Tarbuster
climber
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Sep 21, 2017 - 06:30pm PT
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Dana:
Roy, are you saying that ideas suspended in u there in mid-air don't make people happy? That's how I've been interpreting some of this discussion. Ideas suspended in me? Not exactly sure of the question.
 I'm saying that it's an emotionally charged issue, so instead of people engaging with Kevin's observations and ideas, they're just giving him knee-jerk kick back.
I hear him in his second to last post, (that doesn't mean I necessarily agree or disagree, I just hear it) and I'm sitting here waiting for someone (invested and well-versed in feminism) to respond, who can do so unemotionally and address his assertion in the most practical terms possible.
I certainly don't have the answers.
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Tarbuster
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Sep 21, 2017 - 06:45pm PT
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^^^
Does this make sense, Kevin?
I don't know what this means, so I can't sign off on it:
I think what he's saying is maybe I should lean more in the heforshe virtue signaling direction.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 21, 2017 - 07:21pm PT
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Beauty walks a razor's edge, someday I'll make it mine
If I could only turn back the clock to when God and her were born
Come in, she said
I'll give ya shelter from the storm
-Elston (not Peter) Gunn
Gregor Samsa wacht eines Morgens auf und stellt fest, dass er „zu einem ungeheueren Ungeziefer verwandelt“ wurde.
The epithet ungeheueres Ungeziefer in the opening sentence poses one of the greatest challenges to the translator. Both the adjective ungeheuer (meaning “monstrous” or “huge”) and the noun Ungeziefer are negations— virtual nonentities—prefixed by un. Ungeziefer comes from the Middle High German ungezibere, a negation of the Old High German zebar (related to the Old English ti’ber), meaning “sacrifice” or “sacrificial animal.” An ungezibere, then, is an unclean animal unfit for sacrifice, and Ungeziefer describes the class of nasty creepy-crawly things. The word in German suggests primarily six-legged critters, though it otherwise resembles the English word “vermin” (which refers primarily to rodents). Ungeziefer is also used informally as the equivalent of “bug,” though the connotation is “dirty, nasty bug”—you wouldn’t apply the word to cute, helpful creatures like ladybugs.
Yo mama
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Tarbuster
climber
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Sep 21, 2017 - 07:27pm PT
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^^^
No, the easy way out does not fit the climbing spirit.
At this point, you wouldn't think I would need the playbook, but I need help with this:
Maybe the answer to all the questions here is simply heforshe virtue signaling.
He for she: taking a woman's stance, speaking for a woman, help me out.
Virtue signaling: explain please.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Sep 21, 2017 - 07:27pm PT
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Get a sense of humor, Gary
Like some inferior doctor who's become ill
You're in despair and are unable to discover
By what medicine you yourself can be cured."
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Tarbuster
climber
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Sep 21, 2017 - 07:38pm PT
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For all my use of vocabulary, I guess this just shows how dense I am!
So, if this were to describe what I was suggesting to you, what would a complete translation look like?
I think what he's saying is maybe I should lean more in the heforshe virtue signaling direction.
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Tarbuster
climber
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Sep 21, 2017 - 07:42pm PT
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Ha!
Well, that isn't going to answer anything.
And it's not even the easy way out. It's just giving up on meaningful conversation or debate.
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Tarbuster
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Sep 21, 2017 - 07:44pm PT
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Going back many posts to my original longer missive, I was saying this:
I'm saying that it's an emotionally charged issue, so instead of people engaging with Kevin's observations and ideas, they're just giving him knee-jerk kick back.
And I was saying, due to the venue, we are likely to be in for a long wait!
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