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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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It was Kirk; boning green aliens, irrational chance taking, double fisted karate chops, shoulder rolls, wiping his ass with the Prime Directive, that was Captain.
Spok, the consummate scientist, recognized the intangible value of spirit and moxie.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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^^^Nice!
Word of the Day - Smug
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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I'm only one out of several hundred million that want evidence
I guess you are OK w/o any
Is it so crazy to ask?
Isn't spiritual searching asking questions?
finding answers that are in complete line with reality and science
if there is any magic going on, can't we research it as well
These are just my opinions up for debate
I welcome a honest rebuttal
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Karkoekstan, Former USSR
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it is all about making money in the name of lord
here, basket is coming and drop $5.00 in there
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Trad climber
Will know soon
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funny, majid, jesus never asked for a dime from anyone, he just gave to those who needed help.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Jun 10, 2017 - 06:12am PT
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Craig: Is it so crazy to ask? Isn't spiritual searching asking questions?
There’s no need to search for anything that you already have.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jun 10, 2017 - 06:30am PT
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Attacking Craig makes you all look so spiritually intact, especially Werner the biggest name calling/insult throwing poster on ST. :-)
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 10, 2017 - 07:07am PT
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The Old Testament is pure mythology and the New Testament is mythology redux with an added enticement....the savior myth. Pretty heady stuff and with thousands of years of imprinting there is no wonder that these myths have found fertile ground in so many people's psyche.
You would have thought that the scientific revolution would have swept these myths away but mythology, being untestable, has proven to be extraordinarily enduring.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 10, 2017 - 07:19am PT
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Dingus
You fit the definition of an agnostic
They don't care one way the other
Mike: There’s no need to search for anything that you already have. Oh, are you God??? (as Werner would say to me)
you have no further questions ???
You know enough already
Now it's you being silly and disingenuous
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 10, 2017 - 07:28am PT
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Non-Biological consciousness?
How does it work?
It just floats around with no structure or material, no network of energy, no storage of memories or history....
what happens when they put you to sleep, you loss consciousness,
you wake up not remembering anything, you were dead to the world until they turned you back on.
Is not death the same for your consciousness?
This I do not know for sure...
If there is Intelligent Alien Life out there.
It would be intelligent by the fact that is a life form with some sort of brain that gives it intelligence.
The scientific consensus is that no intelligent life forms have visited the earth.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 10, 2017 - 07:36am PT
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Goggle intelligent alien life forms that visited earth that have been scientifically verified
and then you will get the consensus,
it's Zero
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 10, 2017 - 07:58am PT
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Zero scientifically verified intelligent alien life forms have visited the earth, that is the consensus
Do you have data that contradicts the consensus?
What is the percentage of the population that are convinced that alien life is here now??
Beliefs based on zero evidence, just here say, myths, faked UFOs, conspiracy loons and speculation,
just like most religious beliefs.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Jun 10, 2017 - 08:02am PT
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They came, sniffed around, and finding no other intelligent life forms, held up their noses and left.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jun 10, 2017 - 08:08am PT
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The distance between the closet possible earth like planet is much to far for any imaginable space craft to travel, ask Ed.
It's 10s of light years
It takes 10s of years to get outside our solar system alone which is about a three light minutes
"three light minutes", I just made that up, I wonder exactly how many light minutes/days the distance is.
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WBraun
climber
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Jun 10, 2017 - 08:25am PT
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Know it all and never wrong about anything so called scientist Fry says just google and you too can know everything and never be wrong again .....
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Jun 10, 2017 - 08:49am PT
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Having a Religion is primarily a Geographical question... and preferring one to the other is primarily a question of Religionism - a parallel to Nationalism.
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feralfae
Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
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Jun 10, 2017 - 09:48am PT
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Donini: They came, sniffed around, and finding no other intelligent life forms, held up their noses and left.
Good one, very funny. LOL
ff
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feralfae
Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
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Jun 10, 2017 - 09:54am PT
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Mr. Brennan: The alien question was answered years ago. Did any of you watch Men in Black ?
Okay, that is even funnier. LOL
ff
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jun 10, 2017 - 10:07am PT
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The distance between the closet possible earth like planet is much to far for any imaginable space craft to travel, ask Ed.
by various definitions, I'm agnostic on this point. What is "imaginable" spans a huge domain.
Given the technologies we have developed, and our current knowledge, 10 light years is a long way to travel for a complex organism like a human, largely because of finite lifetimes and an environmental extremely hostile to life.
Sustainable travel that involves generations of organisms is also hard to imagine, probably as much in terms of the social uncertainties as the technological ones.
Technological uncertainties come in many categories. Anyone who's sailed long distance in the open ocean knows the boat is falling apart, it is in a continual state of disrepair. This projects to the state where the boat no longer serves its primary function, keeping the crew out of the water. Reliable boat building, which included the ability to repair the boat, opened up the oceans to exploration. Initially, the boats were big because the crews needed to repair the boat had to be large, and the supplies required extensive. Being a member of those crews was busy with the tasks of repair, and the motivation came from the imperative of survival, loosing the ship meant loosing your life.
If you broaden the concept of island hopping as part of the voyage, the Polynesians engaged in multigenerational oceanic travel. This does not seem to have a generalization to space travel as the "nearby" is a long way, but it must have seemed to be an equally remote possibility to those who first set out in boats into the Pacific unknown. Human space travel will likely be to places that are at least "known."
So with space travel, those craft will have to be repairable by the crew (and their robotic surrogates) in order to sustain a long, multigenerational voyage. The length of the voyage has to do with the total energy and the power generated by the engines of such craft. There are two interesting technologies (to my mind) that are conceptually encouraging (to me):
ion engines, which NASA has been working on even before it became NASA,
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/ion/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_thruster
"laser" sails which are categorized as "beam-powered propulsion"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beam-powered_propulsion
here is Lubin's "white paper" on interstellar travel:
http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/roadmap_to_interstellar_flight_tagged.pdf
so if you enlarge your vision of human exploration, you might come up with some interesting science fiction scenarios, e.g. genetic engineering allows us to send material to be combined upon arrival and generate humans when the particular planetary criteria are met; along with the necessary information to provide cultural context to these humans (as well as the earlier nurturing, socialization, etc provided by computer/robotic surrogates) all launched on micro-wafer sized space craft using Earth based laser beam....
more prosaic, however, is what has probably already happened, that biological molecules of varying complexity have been spread in material left over from the annihilation of life on planets throughout the history of our local universe, coming to us in the chunks of rock launched into space by various planetary cataclysms.
30 years ago I asked a scientific question: if you were to draw a graph where one axis was the mass of an object, and the other axis was the velocity of the object, what would the distribution look like for all the material in the universe?
I'm not sure where we are today on understanding the "rock sized" chunks, and how they move, but those chunks may have a lot of surprises... cosmo-paleontology?
A wonderful topic for wild science based speculation that has no current definitive answer and almost a guarantee that whatever is "the answer," it cannot be recognized in what we imagine now.
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