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TradMike
Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
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The timing of his donation speaks volumes as to what kind of person he is. I bet he was really torn giving up a million dollars but felt like he had to if he was ever going to be considered to play again. Now that nobody wants him, he is really upset and needs to sue. True colors have been shown.
I am still waiting for him to do something or say something positive on his wonderful platform. He could choose to unite people with his platform but all I see is his choice of division.
Now he has sided with a company that oppresses people with slave labor just like what he supposedly is not standing for so he can benefit financially. Black people in America are treated 10 times better than the workers for Nike. What a d o u c h e.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Getting to the bottom of why blacks are disproportionately violent (especially toward each other) would go further toward solving an ACTUAL proble
Wow. “blacks are disproportionately violent”.
You act like you are making a well reasoned argument based on facts but you ignore the facts that black people face systemic racism so it’s harder for them to get a good eduction, jobs, or upward mobility, schools are funded locally so schools in underprivileged black areas are often terrible, crime in low income black and white localities happen at about the same rate (hint this is the main cause of higher crime rates among black people because more of them are poor, under educated and don’t have the same opportunities, even compared to poor white people) and you ignore that there are more police in poor black areas compared to poor white ones, black people are more likely to be arrested, the charges given are more severe, and the sentences are longer. These are all facts you ignore because they don’t fit YOUR narrative.
Maybe you can enlighten us why you think “blacks are disproportionately violent”
Sure there are individuals who can rise above poor circumstances and succeed (and another individual could have all the advantages and end up a criminal) but when you look at the communities as a whole black people have significant disadvantages they have to overcome.
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TradMike
Trad climber
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Maybe ask them why the dad starts the family but doesn’t stick around for the family. A strong family will create a successful person. A lot of black guys will not stick around. The majority of people that I see that are successful came from a strong family that stuck together. Kap should tell his race about family bonds and how that helps each other succeed.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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You act like you are making a well reasoned argument based on facts but you ignore the facts that black people face systemic racism so it’s harder for them to get a good eduction, jobs, or upward mobility, schools are funded locally so schools in underprivileged black areas are often terrible, crime in low income black and white localities happen at about the same rate (hint this is the main cause of higher crime rates among black people because more of them are poor, under educated and don’t have the same opportunities, even compared to poor white people) and you ignore that there are more police in poor black areas compared to poor white ones, black people are more likely to be arrested, the charges given are more severe, and the sentences are longer. These are all facts you ignore because they don’t fit YOUR narrative.
Wowwww... okay, so these are "facts," huh?
Actually, they are VERY contentious interpretations of false-cause arguments based upon decades of failed government (read: Dem) policies designed to "help" them (read: make them ever more dependent upon the Democratic party).
Maybe you can enlighten us why you think “blacks are disproportionately violent”
Because it's a simple equation. You see, you just take the proportion of blacks in society. You take the violent crime stats from the FBI. And then you compare the proportion of violent crime that is committed by blacks with the proportion of blacks in society. And, viola! You see a huge disparity in the proportion of violent crime by race, with blacks far and away disproportionately the perps.
And your little rant above doesn't even contemplate the fact that VAST amounts of money have been thrown at "the problem." So, what's your "solution," other than to throw yet more money at "the problem?"
While you're working that up, look at the latest black-on-black shooting spree, this one in San Bernardino. As you peruse the media "take" on the event, a critical thinker will note two things:
1) None of the news outlets specifies that this was black-on-black. None of them specifies that it was obviously gang-bangers shooting at each other.
2) There were MANY witnesses (blacks), and without exception, they refuse to cooperate with the police to bring the perps to justice.
Now, of course you'll just cast this as another "poor, scared, downtrodden black folks" event. But eventually you have to realize that your forever fallback position of "systemic racism" isn't sustainable as the forever excuse.
You focus on "outcomes" without being willing to even contemplate character and lifestyle choices. Dems have done blacks NO favors by encouraging dependency and a perpetual victim mentality!
You apparently didn't watch this, so I'll post it again for your convenience.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Geez MB, why not come right and admit that blacks were better off with slavery
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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While Kaep might have been a little on the downside of things, there's also no reason to believe a QB with his background wouldn't have seen more interest than has been apparent.
Look, he got an offer to play for the Broncos, albeit at a lower salary than he was getting which reflected his notably diminished skills. It was still an offer for more far more for one year's play than most people will earn in a lifetime.
He didn't take it, choosing instead to sit out and hoke up a 2nd career as a fake social activist / lawsuit plaintiff / Nike pitchman.
If you like him not withstanding that, no problem, it's a free country and maybe in the modern world a clever shyster is a more suitable role model than a standard jock.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Geez MB, why not come right and admit that blacks were better off with slavery
Oh, screw yourself. I'm so sick of that retarded fall-back perspective: "Either you agree that we owe all blacks everything they could ever dream up to ask for, or you're a racist."
If you think about life in general at that level, then you're flat-out stupid.
The problem is nuanced, and government has played no small part in screwing things up! You'll never dream to critically analyze failed Democratic policies. You'll never tumble to the fact that the "war on drugs" was an attempt to keep blacks down, and we ALL suffer with that legacy today.
And you'll never tumble to the FACT that blacks are divided into two cultures today, as you can see in the above video. LOOK at the audience! Are those the people you think are all downtrodden and need yet more governmental assistance???
Those are people who want government to get out of the way!
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Roadie
Trad climber
moab UT
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I do not stand for the anthem. I haven't since Kap started setting a good example. I couldn't care less about football while I couldn't care more about equality.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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As I expected MB you ignore everything that undercuts your arguments, don't take into account another perspectives, and only seek to convince that you are right and other people are wrong.
You didn't directly answer my question (Maybe you can enlighten us why you think “blacks are disproportionately violent”) when I said low income blacks and whites commit crimes at about the same rate.
But you did indirectly answer it with this:
without being willing to even contemplate character and lifestyle choices
It's statements like that that can make people think you are racist. It has nothing to do with "agreeing we owe all blacks everything". It's assigning character traits and lifestyle choices to a race as a whole.
Do you have the bravery to really look at this in a new light and see my point? Or will you just argue it away?
I agree that the problem is nuanced, and govt. failures on both sides contribute to the problem. But poor black (and white) people should get more assistance (not giveaways) to help them make their lives better, e.g. the most important IMO is more equal education. Teach a man to fish and all that.
I also feel most of the examples of supposed racist police actions against black people are the fault of the suspect doing something wrong, and the police overreacting (i.e. both at fault). But there have been examples of clear abuse by the police. A cop was just convicted of murder for killing an unarmed black teen, and the cop who used an illegal choke hold which resulted in the death of man selling loose cigarettes. Kap made a choice to bring attention to what he felt is an abuse of power, injustice, and a lack of equality in the system (whether true or not) it's not up to anyone else to decide what his cause is. I agree that there's other bigger issues that someone could address, but again that's my choice of what I would want to focus on. If someone close to you died of a rare disease you may focus on that disease because you have a personal reason to want to address it, even though other diseases my be much more prevalent and perhaps easier to cure.
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A Essex
climber
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number of black people that care what Supertopo thinks:
0.0
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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I don't think it serves any useful purpose to call someone a racist. Very few people think they are racist. All it does is make them defensive and convince them they are the right and the people calling them that is a loon. I think it's fine to call out behavior that could be interpreted as racist, and hopefully if that person has an open mind they will see why.
It's ridiculous to think there still isn't systemic racism in this country. Many African Americans are descendants of slaves, and that history influences thinking on all sides. They are a minority, and even that is enough to cause some people to fear and not understand them. They face discrimination from some people in jobs, education, etc. It's gotten better over the years. The civil rights movement. Electing Obama. But there will always be racists all we can do is try to keep getting better. Unfortunately things have reversed course big time the last few years with Trump (when the president says there are good people on both sides and one side is white supremacists that encourages racism)
What I learn when I talk to different people is almost everybody is just like you and me, at least their basic drives and they way they think, at least before it's been influenced by their environment. I'm not ready to assign any traits to someone until I've had a chance to talk to them because people are individuals and have had very different experiences.
I love the Anthem. I choose to stand and sing along. The country has been very good to me. I love the imagery of the battle in the first verse. I love that it's hard to sing and love hearing someone do a good job and feel pity when they struggle. But I also know the negatives about it. That the music is based on an old English ode to drinking and sex. NTTAWWT. That the third verse as mentioned contains some awful words. So I understand why someone would not feel about it the same way I do and I afford them their freedom to feel that way. I have a lot of veterans in my family and I never got the impression growing up that it was only about the military or veterans. I always thought it was about the country and it remaining the home of the free and the brave as long as the banner was waving.
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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the Fet:
Many African Americans are descendants of slaves, and that history influences thinking on all sides. I agree, racism is real. It's mostly in the minds of both blacks and whites.
They face discrimination from some people in jobs, education, etc. I disagree.
It seems that I live in a world that is different from a world described in progressives' propaganda.
In my world all big corporations have targets how many women, blacks, gays, disabled people etc. to have at each level of company's hierarchy.
As a result women, blacks etc. are hired and promoted ahead of white males of the same skills and accomplishments.
It's a preferential treatment of blacks rather than discrimination.
At least according to my experience this progressive propaganda has nothing to do with our realities.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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50% of Black Americans happen to live in poverty
^This is a lie.^
Quit lying.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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It seems that I live in a world that is different from a world described in progressives propaganda.
In my world all big corporations have targets how many women, blacks, gays, disabled people etc. to have at each level of company's hierarchy.
As a result women, blacks etc. are hired and promoted ahead of white males of the same skills and accomplishments.
It's a preferential treatment of blacks rather than discrimination.
At least according to my experience this progressive propaganda has nothing to do with our realities.
You do live in a different world I guess. I worked for 2 big corporations and there were no targets for minority hiring. To say all big corporations have targets is untrue. The hiring choice was at the discretion of the hiring manager. In my experience they picked the best (most qualified, best interview, etc.) person for the job. However if that person was racist or sexist it would certainly influence their decisions. Other corporations have targets (not quotas) but they still expect the hiring manager to pick the best person, it's a business after all and the bottom line is king. Companies will try to meet their targets to hire a workforce that is similar to the population in their area, e.g. if there's 30% African Americans locally they will try to hire at least 30% African Americans to avoid lawsuits/audits from the US EEOC. If they can't find enough qualified minorities they carefully document that to protect themselves.
What big corporations have this preferential treatment of black Americans?
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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large businesses only employ about 38 percent of the private sector workforce while small businesses employ 53 percent of the workforce. In fact, over 99 percent of employing organizations are small businesses and more than 95 percent of these businesses have fewer than 10 employees.
 Edward is right above
now let's see those large corporate "rules" that dictate proportional hiring please?
name the companies and post links to their human resources employment "rules" please
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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speaking of education who controls those states that score lowest on intelligence testing?
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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55 years isn't enough time?
As you can see from this thread race relations take awhile...
carry on
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Whose face is that? I can't tell if it is me or some other white dude. We all look the same to me.
Funniest thing I've read on ST in awhile
thanks for the laugh!
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Donald loves the undereducated.
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