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Norton

Social climber
Dec 5, 2015 - 03:10pm PT
HDDJ

those polls you showed above are national and not state specific

yet the Electoral College IS state specific, rendering national polls truly = useless
philo

climber
Dec 5, 2015 - 03:10pm PT
Tater in the tail pipe, motor no go.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2015 - 03:10pm PT
Hermit- If you really think capitalism and socialism are as practiced in the real world two distinct, separate things that people choose between then you are posting too much and thinking too little.
philo

climber
Dec 5, 2015 - 07:49pm PT
Putin announces Republican presidential campaign
Posted on December 2, 2015 by StubhillNews
putinshadesWASHINGTON D.C.— Responding to popularity among conservative pundits and on social media, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced he will run for the Republican presidential nomination.

“Your candidates are weak,” declared Putin, whose late arrival to the race did not prevent him from surging to the top of the polls.

“I will fix your mess,” said Putin between shots of vodka. “I will beat your problems into submission.”

He was received with a standing ovation and a roar of applause.

Putin responded to criticisms from the left that not being a born citizen of the United States was a disqualifying factor.

“No one thinks current president was America born,” said Putin while smashing an empty bottle of vodka on the ground. “Who cares? At least I’m not Muslim terrorist!”

According to poll analysis, Trump’s support, which hasn’t dipped below 20 percent in months, has virtually evaporated due to Putin’s entry to the race.

At press time, several Republican candidates’ bodies were found in dumpsters.

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Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Dec 5, 2015 - 09:59pm PT
In an update, those republicans in dumpsters claim they were looking for their constituents.
philo

climber
Dec 6, 2015 - 07:01am PT

Wow I did not know about Leo Penn. Huge respect to Sean Penns dad.
Huge shame on all Faux Patriots.




Sean Penn on His Blacklisted Dad: 'There Was No Loyalty'

by Sean Penn 11/19/2012 10:00am PST
In a guest piece for THR, the actor remembers the grace and dignity with which his father endured the harsh, damning wounds inflicted by an industry -- and a country -- that turned against him.

My father, Leo Penn, was a patriot to his core. The son of Spanish-Lithuanian immigrants, he was born in Lawrence, Mass., in 1921, a child of the Great Depression. His father moved the family to California on a Greyhound bus after finding work as an orange picker and later as a leather-goods maker in East Los Angeles. It was from the sloping foothills of City Terrace of the '30s and '40s, above the orange groves leading into the San Fernando Valley on one end and Chavez Ravine on the other, that my dad lived, firsthand, the great promise of America. Over the years, his father opened a bakery and came to whittle out a reasonable slice of middle-class life.

Then, as my father hit his late teens, came World War II. Underage but with youthful patriotic vigor, he tried to enlist with the Army infantry but was passed onto what was the Army Air Force when a doctor determined his feet were flat. My dad signed up to serve the United States and flew with a B-24 Liberator as a tail gunner and bombardier. Theirs were low-altitude night bombings over Germany's war machine. For these particular missions, an airman's average life expectancy was a total of seven sorties. At seven, these enlisted men flew on a volunteer basis only. My father's squad broke all records, volunteering to fly 37 missions in all -- 30 more than what was required. Shot down twice, his captain, Myron McNamara, was able to guide the damaged aircraft over Allied lines before my father and the entire crew parachuted to safety.

Leo Penn returned to the U.S. a highly decorated war veteran and began a burgeoning career in film and onstage. He played leading roles on Broadway and in Hollywood. Then, the sky fell. Based on his support of Hollywood trade unions, a commitment to the same social democracy that had been the legacy of President Franklin Roosevelt and his refusal to give names to the rising neo-Nazi-inspired House Committee on Un-American Activities, he was blacklisted by chicken hawks (among them Ronald Reagan) and barred from working in motion pictures by the same country for which he had risked his life those few short years earlier.

In fact, few among the Blacklist's principal architects ever risked career, much less life, in the defense of an American principle. And as with so many others, the country and the media stood by like frightened sheep. In the end, there was no loyalty for a soldier -- and no courage to cusp the pack of cowards and the ignorant disposition to identify with a popular lunacy. But the man I grew up with never showed bitterness. It seemingly was an effortless belief for him, that his great country simply had gone through a "bad stage" but that its foundation was never to be diminished, the flag was never not his own, and he never doubted it. He was a gentle and fair-minded man.

I remember as a kid walking down a beach path with my father as we stumbled upon the set of Elia Kazan's The Last Tycoon (1976). My father and Kazan had worked together and known each other before the Blacklist period. After all the years, Kazan recognized him and called out his name. It was the first time I ever witnessed my father ignore someone.

But, conversely, when the daughter of director Edward Dmytryk started a dog-grooming company in my hometown, I asked her to come by and see if she wanted to take care of my dogs when I left town. I mentioned this to my dad, and he immediately spoke well of her father. I asked, "Hadn't Edward Dmytryk also named names as Kazan had?" He said, "Yes, but not until he himself had done jail time for refusing to cooperate." Evidently, it was in jail where Dmytryk's view had shifted. What separated Kazan and Dmytryk, in my dad's assessment, was that what Dmytryk did, he did for his beliefs and following sacrifice -- as if considering him a perhaps hostile but loyal opposition nonetheless.

In Kazan's case, it was clear he had cowered and sold out himself and all those for whom he might otherwise have broken the Blacklist. Kazan was in an extraordinary position of influence, and he squandered it in shame. It took heroes like Kirk Douglas, years later, to finally break its back. My father often would say to me, "Everybody's got their own truth, kid." And that is true, though some remain untold, and unchallenged.

I will never forget at my father's funeral, as the honor guard passed the flag, folded into a meticulous triangle, over my lap to my mother beside me, stating, "In the name of the president of the United States, for his distinguished service." Indeed, it was distinguished. And so now is it our turn. We still sit silently while chicken hawks and bottle-blond and unsubtly augmented pundits sing cheap poison in best-selling books, bloated radio and skin-deep TV. Still today, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences has yet to offer a clear acknowledgment of its own complicity in the shameful witch hunt of the 1950s that was the Blacklist. In the name of patriotism and patriots (most of whom would never have even asked for it) and in the name of our own dignity … it's time

In his 40 years in Hollywood, Sean Penn has won two Oscars and has been nominated for three more while serving as an outspoken political and social activist.

dirtbag

climber
Dec 6, 2015 - 07:16am PT
Someone's been busy deleting this morning...
philo

climber
Dec 6, 2015 - 07:35am PT
I don't believe your premise. Perhaps the staunchest defenders of personal dogma won't change but others less entrenched can certainly process new information and make informed choices. I believe it is important to continue to speak to power.
philo

climber
Dec 6, 2015 - 07:42am PT
Why are you here then?
philo

climber
Dec 6, 2015 - 07:54am PT
So in light of your assertion do you think your commentry will effect change in anyone.
Sadly the fact that you only scan through theses threads before assuming a conclusion means you miss out on the occassional pearls of wisdom strewn before swine.
When a poster repeats a BS lie they need to be called on it. The same applies to the candidates for public office. Journalists shopuld not let these sociopaths spews lies without countering them with facts everytime.
philo

climber
Dec 6, 2015 - 08:02am PT
You know this forum has more than once been cited in articles in the NY Times right?
Do you get that some threads travel farther than your screen. RickA's threads about Lyin Ryan exposed the man's lies and scuttled his candidacy. Yes it does matter. Sorry that it doesn't for you.
philo

climber
Dec 6, 2015 - 08:11am PT
Read this and tell me why anyone not in the top 10% would vote for these reprehensible self serving maggots?



A Gift From Congress, to Congress

Congress is getting ready to give itself loads of extra campaign dollars again this holiday season.

The catchall spending bill scheduled for a vote by Dec. 11 is what’s known in Washington as a “Christmas tree”: legislation festooned with amendments that are gifts to legislators and their home districts, or that create new, ideologically based policy that has little to do with the bill’s purpose, which is funding the government. Now the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, and some House Republicans are reportedly planning to add four campaign finance riders to the $1.1 trillion bill’s already-groaning branches, hoping to help Republicans in elections next year.

Mr. McConnell has personally put forward the rider that would expand his colleagues’ campaign coffers. It would allow the National Republican Senatorial Committee and its Democratic counterpart to escape restrictions on expenditures they make in coordination with an individual candidate.

Under current law, a donor can give $2,700 to a candidate in a primary race and $2,700 for the general election. That same donor can also legally give $33,400 annually to a national party committee, like the Senate campaign committee. Federal law limits how much of that amount can be spent in coordination with a candidate. The new proposal would allow a candidate to solicit the $5,400 maximum from a donor, and then ask the same donor to give $33,400 to the party, which could then coordinate the spending of that entire amount with the candidate.

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Senator Mitch McConnell Credit J. Scott Applewhite/Associated Press
The other three riders seek to prevent President Obama or federal government agencies from taking steps to require fuller disclosure of contributions made by outside groups in federal elections.

One rider would prevent the president from issuing an executive order to require government contractors to disclose their campaign finance activities, as campaign finance watchdogs are urging him to do. Another would prevent the Securities and Exchange Commission from issuing new rules requiring publicly traded companies to disclose their campaign finance activities to shareholders. The third seeks to prevent the I.R.S. from issuing new regulations aimed at stopping so-called social welfare groups with 501(c)(4) tax-exempt status from functioning primarily as political campaign entities, not social welfare groups.

Campaign finance watchdogs worry that because the spending bill has so many higher-profile riders for legislators to fight over, the campaign finance amendments will slip through. And because they would channel more money to candidates of both parties, there is less will for halting them.

In a delicious bit of irony, Mr. McConnell needs Democratic support to pass his rider, because the Tea Party mavericks are opposing him. They say the extra cash would chiefly benefit establishment candidates, not Tea Party members, who are financed by super PACs and grass-roots donors outside the national party apparatus.

This week, more than 100 Democrats signed a letter announcing their intentions to oppose the campaign finance riders. The spending bill is the last legislation Congress will consider before lawmakers go home for the holiday recess. Democrats should do the right thing and strip these four bad riders from the bill.
philo

climber
Dec 6, 2015 - 11:43am PT
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Dec 6, 2015 - 01:14pm PT
"Considering that no one ever changes their mind on these threads, why do you continue to post?"


Well, back & forths with ideologic opposites can be simply entertaining, and in a few unusual cases (i.e. John E) I actually learn a few things. As soon as you take this stuff too seriously, though, you're fooked.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2015 - 06:35am PT
Randisi posted
Hey, guys. Just dropped in to make sure everyone knows I don't read this thread and don't care what any of you have to say. I can't believe how much hate you guys are perpetuating. You're a pathetic joke. I'd never stoop to insulting people on a politics thread on the internet. Anyway, I'll just be somewhere else not posting in this thread or reading any of your responses because I'm so awesome.

In political news, Obama gave a speech from the Oval Office, only his third as President.

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philo

climber
Dec 7, 2015 - 07:01am PT
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 7, 2015 - 10:53am PT
Please give me an example of this. [people changing their minds based on what was posted on ST]

No one reads these threads carefully except you guys. No one will ever read them again. Except perhaps some psychologist or sociologist, I suspect.

I completely changed my outlook on anthropogenic global warming based on posts (with citations to other material) from Chiloe.

I have no delusions about changing the minds of anyone. I post, in part, because I find debate stimulates the intellect, and in part because different perspectives may lead some to broaden their minds. Posting on a thread where everyone agrees strikes me as useless. Posting on one with substantial disagreement not only provides better entertainment, it sometimes teaches me something.

john
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 7, 2015 - 11:02am PT
I hate the "Free Lunch" analogy of John's

anything that sounds like a free lunch is automatically deemed bad and unsustainable

It sounds from your post that you misunderstand the "free lunch" concept. When people attack a "free lunch" in an argument, they say that the argument fails to account for the cost necessary to achieve the claimed result.

I agree with Craig that most regulation results because of dissatifcation with unregulated results. The problem with regulation is that there is no a priori reason to assume that regulation (which is necessarily imperfect) will be better than a lack of regulation (which is necessarily imperfect).

The typical argument for regulation says that the market fails because it imperfectly allocates goods or services. Therefore, we should regulate that market because the regulators will be able to allocate the goods and services better.

The "therefore" in the previous paragraph is a non-sequitur. What does it require for regulators to allocate good and services better? At the very least, it requires knowledge of the optimal allocation, and what means will bring that allocation about. The regulators aren't born with that knowledge. As most of us who work in a profession should know, knowledge isn't free. Only after we account for the cost of the regulation, and compare it with the cost of the lack of the regulation, can we make an intelligent decision.

Saying that the argument uses a "free lunch" merely says all of the above in a more compact way.

John
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2015 - 11:19am PT
538 made a fun tool that will let you "unskew the polls" to imagine whatever electoral outcome you want!

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-swing-the-election/



(Remember that guy? http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/unskewed-polls-founder-i-was-only-wrong-because-i-didn-t-consider-voter-fraud);



*edit* Oh, man. His website is now owned by some sort of german hair fetish company: http://unskewedpolls.com/

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Dec 7, 2015 - 11:32am PT
Dayum!

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