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Lorenzo
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Portland Oregon
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Anybody else notice Boehner hasn't been mentioned in at least three pages?
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dirtbag
climber
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Boehner sucks donkey dongs.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Stop being the patsy.
How?
Show a little backbone.
From the start, Obama's Middle East efforts have been long on rhetoric and pomp, short on effectiveness. First, it was the Cairo speech. His supporters were overjoyed at Obama's promising a new American approach to the Arab-Muslim world. They (and more than likely, Obama) thought he would secure unprecedented peace in the region. And then there was the Nobel Peace Price... undeserved.
We became involved the Libyan revolution. That's turned out great.
He drew a line in the sand with Syria... then backed away when it was crossed. Backed away, fast.
He watched Russia march into Ukraine.
Afghanistan is mess.
Iraq is a mess.
He's making nice with Iran. I'm undecided on this one.
On numerous occasions, Putin has shown Obama a complete lack of respect.
And Obama takes it.
What to do? I don't know. But I'd like to see him act decisively, demonstrating strength. It seems like we've been steadily losing ground.
Bush left Obama a mess. He jumped on the imperialism bandwagon, needlessly invading two countries. History will judge him harshly. But it seems Obama has been operating from the other end of the spectrum, avoiding foreign entanglements at all costs.
Do any of Obama's former advisers for Middle Eastern affairs defend his policies?
I ask because we periodically hear "Obama lost his way", created a vacuum that allowed ISI to breed. Or Obama's Middle East policy is naive and dangerous.
Seems like more than a few of his former advisers are willing to talk out of school. I don't recall much of this with past administrations.
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philo
climber
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^^^ I'll say it again try the FM stations.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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So what I'm concluding from your view, EdwardT, is that we should be shooting back w/ boots on the ground in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Crimea...pretty much every place you think we've been 'weak'.
Yeah, that'll work.
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philo
climber
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Don't forget Texistan.
Say how is Jade Helm 15 proceeding?
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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The idea that Obama is somehow being "played" or losing out to Putin is comical third-grader's level take on geopolitics.
The Russian economy is in collapse, with govt receipts down over 25% and GDP contracting over 3%/yr. That is a result of a combination of our proxy-state Saudi Arabia pumping full-bore to maintain a collapse in oil price (Russian state revenues are 50% from oil), and sanctions implemented after the Ukraine actions with the US leading implementation.
The result is building domestic pressures within Russia, costing them approx. $2 Billion for every dollar decrease in oil prices, and thereby causing lack of internal investment and maintenance on infrastructure, no access to state of the art petro-drilling tech, and so on.
This has cost us nothing, in fact the net result has been a boost to US consumer spending due to low oil prices. Quite the contrast from the trillions we've tossed down the drain in Iraq and Afghanistan when implementing the blustering, war mongering right wingers ideas of how to play geopolitical chess. They must really lust after the big talking, barechested horseback riding, Pooty Putin...NTTAWT.
Getting played, being a "patsy" would be exactly what you "show strength!" clowns would get drawn into...blowing treasure and blood and crippling our future because you lack confidence in your manhood and need to act like a 9yr old on the school playground. "WHAAAA! Billy called me a poopy head, I'll show him!".
Grow the f*#k up, wingnut tards.
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philo
climber
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Straight from the Elcapinyoazz
Oct 1, 2015 - 01:21pm PT
The idea that Obama is somehow being "played" or losing out to Putin is comical third-grader's level take on geopolitics.
The Russian economy is in collapse, with govt receipts down over 25% and GDP contracting over 3%/yr. That is a result of a combination of our proxy-state Saudi Arabia pumping full-bore to maintain a collapse in oil price (Russian state revenues are 50% from oil), and sanctions implemented after the Ukraine actions with the US leading implementation.
The result is building domestic pressures within Russia, costing them approx. $2 Billion for every dollar decrease in oil prices, and thereby causing lack of internal investment and maintenance on infrastructure, no access to state of the art petro-drilling tech, and so on.
This has cost us nothing, in fact the net result has been a boost to US consumer spending due to low oil prices. Quite the contrast from the trillions we've tossed down the drain in Iraq and Afghanistan when implementing the blustering, war mongering right wingers ideas of how to play geopolitical chess. They must really lust after the big talking, barechested horseback riding, Pooty Putin...NTTAWT.
Getting played, being a "patsy" would be exactly what you "show strength!" clowns would get drawn into...blowing treasure and blood and crippling our future because you lack confidence in your manhood and need to act like a 9yr old on the school playground. "WHAAAA! Billy called me a poopy head, I'll show him!".
Grow the f*#k up, wingnut tards.
^^^ Excellent post.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Organizations like Planned Parenthood often use Title X grants to subsidize birth control, STD screenings, and other reproductive health services for low-income patients who may lack health insurance coverage.
Planned Parenthood receives Title X funds both directly from the federal government and from states, which will sometimes make the nonprofit's health center a subgrantee for the dollars they receive from the federal government.
Chief, it is hard to explain things to people who don't read their own writing.
YES, the Federal gov't subsidizes----PATIENTS. NOT VENDORS.
Are doctors who provide services to medicaid patients being subsidized by the Gov't? NO
Are guides who work on gov't land for very cheap permit rates being SUBSIDIZED?
Why are you welfare guides who kill your clients allowed to step on OUR land????
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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This new guy, Kevin MacCarthy, was assed what the crowning achievement of the two years of the Republican House was. He said, it was bringing down Hillarys poll numbers with the Benghazi hearings.
Why do the Republicans hate America?
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Of course, for Republicans, this is yet another hypocrisy issue: oppose anything related to women's control over their own bodies, then force them to carry that baby to term no matter what the circumstance of pregnancy, and then don't provide any kind of assistance to their families when there are kids running around in poverty. You guys are sick. Really sick.
This really nails it, and why Repubs are going to be continuing to lose power as women rebel against the subjugation.
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philo
climber
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^^^ Yea for women!
I hear Mitts got binders of em.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Putin does have it over Obama.
Obama will not commit US Troops to combat without very clear objectives and likely outcomes.
In fact, he largely follows the "Powell Doctrine"
The Powell Doctrine states that a list of questions all have to be answered affirmatively before military action is taken by the United States:
-Is a vital national security interest threatened?
-Do we have a clear attainable objective?
-Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?
-Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?
-Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
-Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?
-Is the action supported by the American people?
-Do we have genuine broad international support?[2]
Although created by a Republican, I think it is a good doctrine for making decisions about the use of the military.
But increasingly, idiots like Chief want to just see muscle flexing and posturing, followed up by idiocy like sending our troops all over the world to participate in illegal attacks on anyone who speaks the wrong way.
Putin doesn't care about troops or Russian people. Cannon Fodder. He'd happily have Russian troops strap on suicide belts.
The problem is, we won't.
So if you want to play "chicken", we will lose.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2015 - 02:04pm PT
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Putin is a pussy, a crazy man and barely hanging on that is why he appeals to republicans.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/09/30/vladimir-putins-fierce-bark-isnt-backed-up-by-russias-feeble-economic-bite/
"Putin is facing a perfect storm of bad financial news. His economy continues to suffer under the weight of Western penalties imposed for his actions in Ukraine. The price of oil, a lifeblood of Moscow’s economic engine and already at historic lows, won’t go back up until the market makes its way through millions of barrels of oversupply. All of this has sent the value of Russia’s currency, the ruble, down 44 percent against the U.S. dollar in the last year, leading to a spike in inflation.
“The pressure is on,” Tina Fordham, Citigroup chief global political analyst, said on Bloomberg television last week. “The currency is weakened. Oil prices are looking soft, probably for a long time. The multiplier effect of these two things happening at the same time is significant.”
With the value of their currency depressed, Russian companies and regional governments are stuck with billions of dollars in debt they’re struggling to pay. Add growing doubts that the Arctic will yield an oil windfall Russian oil companies desperately need to fulfill future promises, and Russia’s economic future is looking increasingly blighted."
The republicans got their ass handed to them by a woman from PP...real tough guys.
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dirtbag
climber
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And boehner still sucks donkey dongs.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Obama is aware of plenty of alternatives. The military loves to do these what-ifs. They are literally drawing up "war in space" scenarios as we talk.
Fortunately, Obama thinks. JFK did too.
It's too late to ask Nixon how effective his carpet bombing of Cambodia was.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2015 - 02:36pm PT
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How did Shock and Awe work out??
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The Chief
climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
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KenM, you are supposedly a physician and a teacher? WOW
What the fk is up with this...
Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Oct 1, 2015 - 01:29pm PT
Why are you welfare guides who kill your clients allowed to step on OUR land????
Why is it you Libs ALWAYS have to resort to this... Always!
Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2015 - 02:36pm PT
How did Shock and Awe work out??
Up until 2013, it worked just fine.
EDIT: If Russia is no big deal, then why have we, the US, been deploying all sorts of big time weapons & troops all over Europe the past year? And why is Kerry in a mad frenzy to start "Diplomatic Operational Talks" with his Russian counter part?
Go figure....
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