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Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Jan 15, 2015 - 01:19pm PT
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Here's an interesting development.
The headlines on Yahoo News right now:
Charlie Hebdo cofounder blames slain editor for attack
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 15, 2015 - 01:22pm PT
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BREAKING NEWS!
"Belgium: Major Imminent Attack Foiled" (CNN right now)
Five to one the suspects don't turn out to be Jain or Amish.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Jan 15, 2015 - 01:27pm PT
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Poking anyone with a sharp stick would constitute assault - different kettle of fish.
Al Qaeda is not made up of 'insane' people - these are 'rational' people who can make rational choices about both not feeling insulted and not acting violently as a result. They choose not to.
Refusing to act on feeling insulted - or even feeling insulted, rather than censorship (who's gonna be on that committee, I wonder? I cannot imagine anything could possibly go awry there), is the meme a free society needs to promote.
Do we still want to be a free society where new ideas, however strange or 'insulting' are allowed? I want that.
Free speech ends with threats or an incitement to violence. Curtailments in the work place or schools to keep those organizations functioning is appropriate. Fully private speech - ala Westboro Baptist - is and and must be allowed under the 1st Amendment, however.
History clearly shows us that once we start prohibiting such 'offensive' speech, manipulation of that prohibition to attack one's political enemies quickly follows.
So we accept the minor annoyance of Westboro Baptist for the much greater good of enjoying unfettered political speech. Not insignificantly, we have Westboro Baptist Church's civil rights lawyers to thank for protecting free speech for all of us. It's a complicate world out there.
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AKDOG
Mountain climber
Anchorage, AK
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Jan 15, 2015 - 01:33pm PT
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Lorenzo, while Christians and the western countries like USA, Germany, Canada, ect. might be fcked; name one predominantly Muslim country that is a better place to live for minorities, women and gays?
Today's breaking news:
"Prominent Mormon faces excommunication for backing gay marriage"
Lorenzo what does a church organization in the USA that excommunicated one of their flock have to do with being a better place to live for minorities, women and gays?
USA is a free country where a church can excommunicate who they want, and the National Enquirer can print a cartoon of Joseph Smith and his magical glasses if they wanted.
You can start a gay church and start excommunicating if you want.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Jan 15, 2015 - 01:50pm PT
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How well do you practice discretion in your public communications?
That's ground zero.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Jan 15, 2015 - 05:47pm PT
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Jan 15, 2015 - 01:15pm PT
Pretty much nothing. From Baby Jesus Buttplugs to Amy Schumer - it's all fine with me.
You're okay with racist hate speech?
More to the point, I'd like to see any defence of babies and butt plugs.
Have at it.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jan 15, 2015 - 08:45pm PT
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lol... true stuff.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 15, 2015 - 09:56pm PT
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For those with the interest, here's your definitive, go-to source on understanding Islam, Islamists, jihadis, Koran, Sharia, Muslim moderation, the conflicts, etc....
On npr...
How Orwell's 'Animal Farm' Led A Radical Muslim To Moderation
Maajid Nawaz
http://www.npr.org/2015/01/15/377442344/how-orwells-animal-farm-led-a-radical-muslim-to-moderation
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Jan 15, 2015 - 10:34pm PT
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Shooting from behind trees is immoral.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Jan 16, 2015 - 06:56am PT
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Hey QIT, check this out...
According to data released by Google, six of the top eight porn-searching countries are Muslim states.
Top 8 porn-searching countries...
1. Pakistan 2. Egypt 3. Vietnam 4. Iran 5. Morocco 6. India 7. Saudi Arabia 8. Turkey
http://www.salon.com/2015/01/15/why_porn_is_exploding_in_the_middle_east_partner/
"The word “Arab” is the number-one searched porn term in Egypt, Iran and Syria."
Iran? lol!
Pig and donkey porn also score big.
I love google metrics, so revealing!
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jan 16, 2015 - 07:26am PT
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People are people whereever I've been on this planet. The scenery and climate changes, the gov't regimes change, imaginary friends change(aka religions), but the individual is largely the same.... is a surprise that in oppressed/repressed societies, they'd been searching for porn online?
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 16, 2015 - 08:02am PT
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Change agents better than drones and bombs... big macs, levis, porn.
That was the original intention you empty balloon, of all these fuked wars and bullsh!t since JKF and 911.
Make everyone a stupid American clone just like you with your phoney democracy, the mind control dictatorship draped in the costume of democracy ......
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LearningTrad
Trad climber
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Jan 16, 2015 - 08:06am PT
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In case you were under the impression otherwise...
Ya'll is mega-Lulzy, naw'm sayin'?
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Jan 16, 2015 - 09:52am PT
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there are not ghettos or no go areas in France
Tell these folks.
http://www.metropolitiques.eu/The-New-French-Ghettos.html
"A number of French enclaves labelled ZUS, or “urban renewal zones”, suffer from multiple handicaps: geographic (functionalist architecture and urban planning, ambient decrepitude, isolation etc), socio-economic (high unemployment, large number of welfare dependents etc.), educational (large proportion of high school dropouts and remedial-year pupils etc), medical (dearth of doctors, outbreaks of forgotten diseases etc.), progressively enclosing them inside a whole array of physical, social and symbolic borders. Hence the heuristic pertinence of using “ghetto” to describe some French urban renewal zones. Ghetto is a designation that is gaining ground these days in French cities because those who dwell in urban renewal zones are a “captive” population: they really have very low odds of ever leaving their substandard social housing. So the symbolic walls around urban renewal zones turn out to be quite sturdy and every bit as impermeable as physical barriers. As François Dubet puts it (2009): The dispute over whether these neighbourhoods are ‘ghettos’ is rather pointless. They are ghettos inasmuch as the poorest of the poor and families of colonial immigrant origins are assigned to live there. They are also and above all ghettos because the rejected and the stigmatized end up identifying with the social attributes on which their rejection is based, and they themselves construct mechanisms to control their ‘turf’, their ‘girls’, some economic resources and associations, a control that accentuates their break with the surroundings."
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Jan 17, 2015 - 05:06pm PT
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Muslim world's Condemns Charlie Hebdo from Niger to Pakistan + Video
Thousands demonstrated across the world Friday and
violent clashes erupted in Niger and Pakistan as Muslims vented fury
over a new Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) cartoon published by French magazine
Charlie Hebdo.
Four people were killed and 45 injured in protests in Niger's second
city of Zinder that turned violent with demonstrators ransacking three
churches and torching the French cultural centre.
A doctor in the city's hospital told AFP that all of the dead and three of the injured had gunshot wounds.
"We've never seen that in living memory in Zinder," a local administration official said. "It's a black Friday."
There was also bloodshed in Karachi, Pakistan, where three people were
injured when protesters clashed with police outside the French
consulate, officials said. Among them was an AFP photographer, who was
shot in the back.
As protesters in Dakar and Mauritania torched French flags, Qatar and
Bahrain warned that the new Prophet Mohammed cartoon published Wednesday
by the French satirical weekly could fuel hatred.
The latest issue of Charlie Hebdo features a cartoon of Prophet
Mohammed (PBUH) on its cover holding a "Je Suis Charlie" (I am Charlie)
sign under the headline "All is forgiven".
Distributor MLP said the weekly had sold 1.9 million copies so far,
with a total of five million to be printed, compared with its usual
sales of around 60,000.It
was the first edition since brothers Cherif and Said Kouachi gunned
down 12 people in an attack on the magazine's Paris offices on January 7
over such cartoons.
The image has angered many Muslims as depictions of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) are widely considered forbidden in Islam.
On the Muslim weekly day of prayers, thousands flooded the streets of
Bamako in response to calls by leading clerics and Mali's main Islamic
body, chanting "Hands off my prophet" and "I am Muslim and I love my
prophet".
In Jordan's Amman, around 2,500 protesters set off from Al-Husseini
mosque under tight security, holding banners that read "insulting the
prophet is global terrorism".
There were clashes between protesters and riot police in Algiers, where
up to 3,000 marchers chanted "We are all Mohammed", though some shouted
their support for the Islamist Kouachi brothers.
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=16f_1421494296#lxSoUdSIR87lFE1u.99
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Lorenzo : sentence of public blasphemy againt God has been abolished in France in 1881. That's true that this law still exists, but only in Alsace Lorraine, a very small part of France which has been German from 1870 to 1918. The laws overthere are different than French laws. Charlie Hebdo have been judged in 2008 after having published cartoons showing Mahomet but they didn't have been sentenced/ punished for that
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