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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 19, 2014 - 05:49pm PT
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Well, Ap, I hope he is too rather than wasting his little remaining political
capital on something that is going to happen anyway. I doubt the 'Repugs'
would back out of a deal, nobody likes to look stupid or a sore loser.
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julton
climber
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Nov 19, 2014 - 06:07pm PT
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I am absolutely stunned to discover how many short-sighted people there are in the climbing community
Why would you expect people in the climbing community to be that much different than anyone else?
Keystone is just a tiny thing by itself but it's been made into a big deal. What we do about energy and climate change is a much harder problem which is not being addressed. It's easier to focus on a pipeline though.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Nov 19, 2014 - 06:26pm PT
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As much as I hate the Koch Bros, the Oil industry fat cats, the carbon footprint of mining the Athabasca tar sands, and unless you can convince Canada not to produce this oil, I have to agree with Reilly & others on this one and approve the KXL. You have to hold your nose & go with the lesser of several evils. Otherwise, you run the risk of achieving the opposite of your well intentioned objectives of protecting the environment. There are no easy decisions left RE energy resources.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Nov 20, 2014 - 03:44pm PT
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Nov 20, 2014 - 05:24pm PT
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The incentive is profit, so as long as crude remains >$70/bbl the Canadian government and Oil Companies are going to find a way to sell that oil on the global market. How it gets there is a crucial part of the environmental impacts and carbon footprint.
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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Nov 20, 2014 - 06:38pm PT
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"I am absolutely stunned to discover how many short-sighted people there are in the climbing community - people who seem to think that burning more oil is a good thing."
Say all you people who drive to crags and type on computers powered by energy delivered by coal and natural gas.
Hypocrites.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Nov 20, 2014 - 07:31pm PT
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Canada......(is) going to pipe on their own territory.
Lorenzo, it sounds like you work for the Harper regime ;-)
Part of the reason Alberta and the feds in Canada want Keystone is, no one in B.C. wants a new pipeline going through their territory. The Northern Gateway pipeline will NEVER happen. That's why they are trying to pipe it all the way to Texas, rather than to a Canadian port on the west coast.
Do a search (Kinder Morgan Burnaby) and read about what's happening right now in response to the survey that Trans Mountain is doing, to twin their current pipeline from Edmonton to Burnaby (Vancouver).
No one wants tar sands bitumen to go through B.C., other than a few Albertans and some transnational oil corporations.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Nov 24, 2014 - 07:18pm PT
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Canada......(is) going to pipe on their own territory.
Lorenzo, it sounds like you work for the Harper regime ;-)
Part of the reason Alberta and the feds in Canada want Keystone is, no one in B.C. wants a new pipeline going through their territory. The Northern Gateway pipeline will NEVER happen. That's why they are trying to pipe it all the way to Texas, rather than to a Canadian port on the west coast.
Do a search (Kinder Morgan Burnaby) and read about what's happening right now in response to the survey that Trans Mountain is doing, to twin their current pipeline from Edmonton to Burnaby (Vancouver).
No one wants tar sands bitumen to go through B.C., other than a few Albertans and some transnational oil corporations.
You mean it's not going to end at Canada Place in Vancouver?
So disappointed. The place used to be called coal harbour.
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karen roseme
Mountain climber
Bishop
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 4, 2015 - 07:09am PT
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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At least we know why the dems oppose it now. I don't get the arguments against the KXL other than politics. I hate politics screwing over what is good for the people.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Oh, and KXL by itself will also all but eradicate measles, rubella and autism without all those nasty vaccines which decimate our 'choice' with their big guberment mandates as well.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Oh, and KXL by itself will also all but eradicate measles, rubella and autism without all those nasty vaccines which decimate our 'choice' with their big guberment mandates as well.
Excellent point.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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It's really hard to convince a person who grew up in Alaska that a pipeline is a bad thing...
Jus sayin
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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It's just a fight between the Kochs and that billionaire hedge fund guy. In the real world 6-8 years to get a project like this approved is probably on the fast side.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Feb 24, 2015 - 12:39pm PT
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Obama vetoed the Keystone bill.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 24, 2015 - 12:44pm PT
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Yay! At least he got That one right
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 24, 2015 - 01:04pm PT
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That's fine with me if Obama wants to help drive oil prices back up.
The market applauded his move today, too.
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