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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 27, 2014 - 02:09pm PT
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You mean like the one in the photo of me and Layton in Valley Of Fire?
Its so light that I have a lanyard on it to keep it from floating away.
Yesterday a friend asked me if I could only have 3 handguns then what would I keep;
that would be one of them along with my Sigg 938 and Les Baer Thunder Ranch.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 27, 2014 - 03:03pm PT
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Madbolter, I get that you are impressed with your educational background.
Uhh, no, actually I was responding to your claim that I have no background to know what I'm talking about. It seems that your claim was a case of rocks and glass houses.
Unfortunately, you seem to have lost all common sense.
See above.
You gave up your "right" to self defense long ago, when you started looking for it in documents and grants of authority from the government. I choose to keep mine.
You apparently can't read with comprehension either. My argument ACTUALLY was that governments (and their documents, including the 2nd amendment) are utterly irrelevant to the possession and exercise of inalienable rights, including the right of self defense. So, I was ACTUALLY making precisely the opposite point you now attribute to me.
I AM glad, however, that you have (somehow) taken the substance of my point into your heart, because you WERE arguing the opposite.
So, if for you to get it, in your own mind it requires that we "switch places" in the argument, well, at least you finally get it.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 27, 2014 - 03:36pm PT
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I can't get behind any philosophical 'logic' that claims inalienable rights to posses RPGs. I will vote for politicians who see, as I do, the utter need to regulate firearms.
In this society, today, there is no need of RPGs for SELF defense. Hence, no inalienable right to have them. However, let society change to the point where RPGs are needed for SELF defense, and the right to have (and use) them will not be in any way dependent upon any government's perspective on the matter.
Regarding your voting, that is also your right, and more power to you. I guess that we'll be canceling each other's votes out on this issue. ;-)
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bigbird
climber
WA
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Feb 27, 2014 - 04:12pm PT
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Thread still needs more expensive unobtainable luxury sporting arms....
A esoteric Lynx straight pull rifle... Build in Finland of anywhere...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Irate man shoots himself in the foot by alienating community members with constant interruptions of the same rant.
Ron, you mentioned Steven Segal shooting .45s. I know people like to bag on him here, but the guy has accomplished a few things in the real world even if he can't act very well. I saw him shoot a .45 in his cop show and he does appear to have some skill there. I'd like to compete against him with my Les Baer and see what he's got.
Looks like 60s, sunny and calm, and the range is 2 miles away, and far less crowded these days. I think I'll send a few.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Bigbird, keep 'em coming! That thing is cool! Beauteous stock!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Clouded up and got a crosswind, but that target is like the crack cocaine of shooting.
Don't underestimate those Finns. After the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917 they staged a little rebellion of their own to secure independence from the former Russia.
Guns are the tool of freedom, so a company was started by the Finnish Guard in Helsinki in 1921 that quickly outgrew its facilities, and relocated to Riihimaki (isn't that something that nature makes?) in 1927 where it continues to this day.
The company is Sako, a name that is synonymous with the most accurate bolt action rifles on the commercial market. It has a long and storied history that includes producing the weapons that allowed the Finns to shake off the Soviet Union once again in the Winter War of 1939.
(Things didn't go so well the following year though)
I love my Suomi 9mm, even though my momma told me,"Don't you buy no ugly gun!"
edit; that picture is interesting but is it a rifle or a slot machine?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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And I love my Lahti L-39!
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speelyei
Trad climber
Mohave County Arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2014 - 04:43pm PT
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My dad has a Sako varmint rifle in .222rem he inherited from his Uncle, with a custom made hand checkered stock. Its a very nice shooting rifle, and really a testament to craftsmanship.
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speelyei
Trad climber
Mohave County Arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2014 - 04:47pm PT
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You mentioned reloading Toker. I think I posted a pic of my reloading set up a while back.
My Dad bought me a Lee hand-loader years back, and I have then since added bit by bit. I use a single stage press, balance beam scale, and trickle my loads by hand. I bought old, milled and machined metal components and it cost me very lttle. The reloading has become almost as much of a hobby as the actual shooting.
A lot of guys go whole hog and buy a progressive loader and start loading 8 different calibers, but my advice would to pick one rifle caliber, start with for maximum quality, not quantity, and let your interest and proclivity guide you from there.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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I'm more interested in reloading for handguns/carbines so here are my 8 calibers;
.45LC
.45ACP
.44Mag
.41MAG
.40S&W
.357MAG
9MM
5.7x28MM
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speelyei
Trad climber
Mohave County Arizona
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 2, 2014 - 08:23pm PT
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Well, the world is your oyster. If you can shoot it, you can reload it!
I suggested a single rifle first because, to me, it's going to cover all variables. When i started, I was loading for 30-30, .30-06, 308, and 223. I was always swapping out dies and had three different powders and a buch of different weight bullets, two sizes of pimers, etc, etc.
The process is the same, but it gets to be a lot of data to keep track of.
Now, if you just pick a load out of the manual, load that, and are happy, things are much simpler. Load as calibers as you want! But if you start trying to fine tune a load, powder, bullet, cartridge to wring the utmost precision for a specific individual firearm, it gets to be a lot to keep track of.
I guess I'll recant my initial advice and say if you're going to load for pistols (or pistol caliber carbines and stuff), especially semi-autos, a progressive press is the way to go.
Once you load twenty of anything, you'll have the idea.
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Ya can't reload rimfire. Seems to be in short supply around here.
Read something about being cautious which 40cal firearm you reload for... some of them don't fully support the casing and can cause a bulge at the rear of the brass which prematurely weakens it. Maybe verify yours isn't one of those.
Saw some 380 ammo at the local Walmart the other day. Didn't buy it. Should have... can't find any today. Oops. Oh well.
Here's an ugly gun or two for y'all.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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I would go single stage first, just to get the hang of it. The progressive is really nice for pistols, especially if you're just loading rounds for plinking. I use the single for hunting cause each round needs to be the same or as close as possible and it's easier to focus on each round with the single stage. Reloading is a lot of fun, you get to expirement with different powders and bullets to see what makes the best load for you. Keep good notes and follow the charts and have fun.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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LOL
When you get a Ph.D. in logic, political philosophy, and ethics, as I have, and you have written formal articles on the subject,
I must first acknowledge and appreciate your extensive knowledge of these fields which continue to enlighten me, and I'm sure others too, however it is this extensive knowledge that makes your repeated intellectual dishonesty more troubling than the relative ignorance espoused by others.
You continually fail (or pretend to fail) to recognize the difference between a philosophical or moral point, and a legal one. You assert tenets of a narrow political philosophy as fact, despite the reality that they are neither provable nor refutable. You fail to acknowledge any variations in political philosophy which do not precisely match either your intended point or actual beliefs.
You have previously said that you have taught students on these topics, but if your lectures follow the pattern of your assertions here I fear that those students have been only selectively enlightened, which is possibly worse than not enlightened at all.
Oh, on that other point:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2196512&msg=2202274#msg2202274
In response to a conversation about selling to criminals:
you haven't explained exactly how my SALE of a gun constitutes a violation of anybody's negative rights. If that gun is later used in a murder, the GUN didn't violate anybody's rights; the USER of the gun did and should be held accountable for that ACTUAL violation of a negative right.
Libertarian philosophy is an admirable moral position, but thankfully only one of many philosophies incorporated into the US Constitution. You act as though this nation was originally a Libertarian Utopia and that all subsequent governments have strayed illegally from that. Your idea that a constitution ratified by the undemocratically appointed delegates of less than four million people has more moral authority than subsequent democratic votes by an exponentially increasing population is absurd.
If the Gun Lobby itself felt that the US Constitution protects an inherent right to unrestricted gun ownership as broad as you claim it does, then they would be actively seeking passage of restrictive laws to challenge in court. Compare the actions of the Gun Lobby with gay-rights activists, who are happy to go to court because they are confident they will win. The Gun Lobby fights passage of laws because it cannot afford a case to go to the Supreme Court, they know that uncompromising positions like yours will not survive legal scrutiny even in the current court.
30 days to climbing weather...
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Since the weather was too unsettled to ride today the firearms got appreciated.
Everything got cleaned, oiled and the ones that see infrequent use a coat of rust preventative.
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xtrmecat
Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
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Ron, with your list of rounds, I would suggest looking at progressive presses. I went with Dillon and have not been sorry. Wildcat loading is not always doable on them though. I no longer have the need for my 40 dies if you get to tooling up.
Always here via e-mail if questions arise. After all I gleaned beta on Zion from you, so I owe you.
Burly Bob.
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bigbird
climber
WA
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More esoteric luxury rifles from europe...
A perugini and visini single shot rifle...
Not the most flattering picture but still nice...
Perugini and Visini are more known for shotguns, but they build good rifles too.
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