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dirtbag
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Mar 14, 2011 - 11:06pm PT
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Uh-oh, when the workers have to abandon their posts, you know it's getting bad.
But industry executives said that in fact the situation had spiraled out of control and that all plant workers needed to leave the plant to avoid excessive exposure to radioactive leaks.
If all workers do in fact leave the plant, the nuclear fuel in all three reactors is likely to melt down, which would lead to wholesale releases of radioactive material — by far the largest accident of its kind since the Chernobyl disaster 25 years ago.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/world/asia/15nuclear.html?_r=1&hp
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Mar 14, 2011 - 11:07pm PT
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my neighbor works for the iaea.
he was in japan last week, but was in kyoto when the quake hit, so didn't get caught in the wreckage.
but he's still there of course. can't imagine he's getting a lot of sleep.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 14, 2011 - 11:12pm PT
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Why not KI, NWO???
Kelp is better, how? More natural?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Mar 14, 2011 - 11:24pm PT
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Now the AP is saying that a fourth reactor is on fire.
SOMA, Japan – Radiation is spewing from damaged reactors at a crippled nuclear power plant in tsunami-ravaged northeastern Japan in a dramatic escalation of the 4-day-old catastrophe. The prime minister has warned residents to stay inside or risk getting radiation sickness.
Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said Tuesday that a fourth reactor at the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex was on fire and that more radiation was released
Prime Minister Naoto Kan warned that there are dangers of more leaks and told people living within 19 miles (30 kilometers) of the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex stay indoors.
THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake_nuclear_crisis
This is a good link found on the link dirtbag gave. It explains reactors. with pictures so its easy to understand.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/12/world/asia/the-explosion-at-the-japanese-reactor.html?ref=asia
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Mar 14, 2011 - 11:32pm PT
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hey there say, tami... and all...
i just saw this link, when i went to check my mail:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110315/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake_nuclear_crisis
i do not know how new it is compared to other links, but:
it is from about 41 mins ago, it said, when i saw it...
:(
says, radiation is now leaking...
:(
SOMA, Japan – Radiation is spewing from damaged reactors at a crippled nuclear power plant in tsunami-ravaged northeastern Japan in a dramatic escalation of the 4-day-old catastrophe. The prime minister has warned residents to stay inside or risk getting radiation sickness
well, just thought since i saw it, and it is recent, that folks may
want to see it...
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 14, 2011 - 11:34pm PT
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Eat kelp, dirtbag.
Thanks. Random, but undoubtedly thoughtful advice.
Usually the phrase "Eat ----, dirtbag" is filled in with a different 4-letter word.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Mar 14, 2011 - 11:37pm PT
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hey there say, john moosie... wow, we seem to have found it, and near posted it at the same time...
*i will add here:
my friend from japan, that has been keeping in touch, said she is very grateful for the touching prayers of many, for her and her country...
she too, is very fearful for the newest news on the radiation... :(
(she does have food and shelter, she is in chiba, her mom and father were a bit more closer to the main trouble, but they are safe, shelter-wise)...
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cleo
Social climber
Berkeley, CA
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Mar 14, 2011 - 11:41pm PT
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Adam, please tell us the news outlets are flipping out for no good reason.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Mar 14, 2011 - 11:47pm PT
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unfortunately, the longer time that the fuel rods are not cooled, the higher temps and consequently the higher amount of hydrogen generation, build up of pressure and more release into the environment of short lived isotopes.
if the containment vessel is breached it will be a bad event. but still nothing like Chernobyl.
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WBraun
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Mar 14, 2011 - 11:59pm PT
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Doesn't matter what happens.
The whole world can see that it's been brought to its knees ......
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Mar 15, 2011 - 12:00am PT
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Japan Faces Prospect of Nuclear Catastrophe as Workers Leave Plant
Source: New York Times
TOKYO — Japan faced the likelihood of a catastrophic nuclear accident Tuesday morning, as an explosion at the most crippled of three reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station damaged its crucial steel containment structure, emergency workers were withdrawn from the plant, and much larger emissions of radioactive materials appeared immiment, according to official statements and industry executives informed about the developments.
Japanese Prime Minsiter Naoto Kan made a televised address to the nation at 11 a.m. Tokyo time to discuss the latest developments in the crisis.
The sharp deterioration came after government officials said the containment structure of the No. 2 reactor, the most seriously damaged of three reactors at the Daichi plant, had suffered damage during an explosion shortly after 6 a.m. on Tuesday.
They initially suggested that the damage was limited and that emergency operations aimed at cooling the nuclear fuel at three stricken reactors with seawater would continue. But industry executives said that in fact the situation had spiraled out of control and that all plant workers needed to leave the plant to avoid excessive exposure to radioactive leaks.
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/world/asia/15nuclear.html?_r=1&hp
Pray, prepare, and please help.
NWO,
Thanks for the advice. Had to look it up to see what the rage was . . .
Health Benefits of Kelp
http://chetday.com/kelpbenefit.htm
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Mar 15, 2011 - 03:52am PT
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"Doesn't matter what happens.
The whole world can see that it's been brought to its knees ...... "
Agree with the 2nd statement, and disagree with the first.
Of course it matters. You'd have to be a sick f3ck to think it doesn't matter...
Cheers,
DD
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rrrADAM
Trad climber
LBMF
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Mar 15, 2011 - 06:41am PT
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Morning, all...
News this morning that now Unit 4 has suffered a fire, so it is having issues as well. I'll see what I can find that has been confirmed, as to the current status of the 6 plants at Fuku.
Meanwhile, for some pretty level headed, no hype, write-ups of the evolving events at the nukes, details of what is and can happen, plus they even highlight much of the misinformation initially broadcast, then spread as factual without verification sparking lots of misguided speculation:
http://mitnse.com/2011/03/13/why-i-am-not-worried-about-japans-nuclear-reactors/
http://www.slate.com/id/2288212/
And again, for up to date, verified information from the NEI:
http://www.nei.org/newsandevents/information-on-the-japanese-earthquake-and-reactors-in-that-region/
And, this is current info from the US NRC:
http://public-blog.nrc-gateway.gov/
cleo... Yes, for the most part the news agencies are 'flipping out' for no good reason... Contrast that to the calm words of the experts in the field (not general scientists, but experts in the field of nuclear engineering).
That said, things are not under control, and are evolving. A couple days ago, many were worried that Unit 1 was gonna melt down and spread radiation all over... Then Unit 3. (Seriously, go back in this thread a couple days, or look at all the 'sky is falling news', as klimmer was confident that there was gonna be huge release, getting into the jet-stream, but he has yet to get to don his gas mask and take his KI pills). Now, both of those units appear to be managed, and we are now focussed on units 2 and 4. Point being, everybody was freaking out, yet the initial units in trouble now seem to be managed, and nothing breached the containment vessels, so from a safety aspect, the vessels did their jobs and contained the really bad stuff from a significant uncontrolled release. And, so far, the vessels of units 2 and 4 have also held, so they too are doing thier job as the staff of those plants work to get those units to a manageable state.
There are layers of protection and systems to mitigate problems... If all runs smoothly, they clean up a bit, and continue to run the units at a later date. When it all goes to hell in a handbasket, as is happening, they are not worried about being able to use the units again, they are only concerned on keeping the bad stuff contained, and cooling the fuel. Think of 'falling back' to established lines of defense... This is what they have been doing, and the last lines of DESIGNED defense is to contain it, and so far, the design has proven robust enough to hold up... As there have been no significant uncontrolled releases.
We have to remember, that they are not designed to withstand everything and keep running... They are designed to withstand everything, and keep the bad stuff contained. And they HAVE done that so far.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Mar 15, 2011 - 07:47am PT
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Its hard to parse out the doomsdayers from the industry talking points guys, but that MIT link sounds like a bunch of apologists worried their careers are about to go up in smoke. ha
I really don't care how many backup systems were in the design. Do you really think that matters at this point? They all f*#ked up. That is the take away. Now they're talking about evacuating the largest city on earth. oh boy Human hubris comes home to roost and mother earth just isn't going to take this techno sh#t no more.
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bmacd
Social climber
100% Canadian
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Mar 15, 2011 - 09:16am PT
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So using fire hoses to pump seawater into the containment pools to keep the spent fuel rods cooled is part of the master saftey plan ? These pools for the spent rods sit above the reactor vessels
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/world/asia/16fuel.html?_r=1&hp
Apparently spent rods are not as impotent as you might think
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