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jstan
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Feb 14, 2011 - 03:28pm PT
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One opinion piece out of the Brookings Institute suggests Mubarak got a very pointed phone call from Obama that night. But we won't know the facts for forty years. Nor should we. If there was such a call I imagine our support of his regime would have been discussed.
If any of us wants to begin to understand what was actually happening in Egypt we need to go to Wael Ghonim's blog Sandmonkey.
http://www.sandmonkey.org/2010/06/13/on-khaled-said/
I absolutely refuse to duplicate it here.
Each of us can do this much.
Each of us bears responsibility for this.
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dirtbag
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Feb 14, 2011 - 03:31pm PT
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But we won't know the facts for forty years. Nor should we. If there was such a call I imagine our support of his regime would have been discussed.
Wait 'til the next round of wikileaks.
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Jingy
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Somewhere out there
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Feb 14, 2011 - 03:55pm PT
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"Things are cooking in north Africa and I know something is coming up but I wonder who is behind it."
 The people were behind it.....
go figure... they want a democracy, like the erset of the civilized world....
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Majid_S
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Bay Area , California
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2011 - 11:52am PT
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So fatty, now Bahrain, are we getting ready for your 2012 ME mega war ?
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Feb 15, 2011 - 12:25pm PT
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"Forward he cried, from the rear, and the front ranks died. The generals sat, and the lines on the map moved from side to side."
Pink Floyd
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2011 - 12:59pm PT
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DMT "Israelis to free the Persians"
That is funny
not to forget that some of the key important politicians in Israeli were born in Iran including an ex FM
edit to add that in 2008, Iran bought and imported over 220 million dollar worth of Apples and veggies from Israeli.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Feb 15, 2011 - 01:06pm PT
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Over the horizon wars are a fantasy of the neocon neverservedniks.
Ah, c'mon DMT, haven't you noticed all the "over the horizon" action the last few years?
Like Afghanistan?
And Iraq?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Feb 15, 2011 - 01:10pm PT
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59 years old at the Battle of the Bulge.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Feb 15, 2011 - 01:21pm PT
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Afghanistan and Iraq (after "mission accomplished") are just occasional skirmishes, not all out destroy village, towns, hiding area wars. They are peacekeeping missions.
Mission accomplished. Love it.
Peacekeeping mission. Love it.
Exactly whom is heading "over the horizon" into an all out destroy village, towns type mission?
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 15, 2011 - 01:48pm PT
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survival
come on man
is not a mission
its all about business
over 100k newly 4x4 jeeps were made just to drive in narrow roads in Afghanistan
100k x $120k
that is just one ticket item
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 18, 2011 - 12:33pm PT
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Fatty
What if Saudi is next ?
Bahrain will do down like Egypt ,soon Jourdan
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 21, 2011 - 12:37pm PT
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Libya is going out of control and gasoline price will be in the $5 range soon
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Majid_S
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Bay Area , California
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 22, 2011 - 12:45pm PT
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By end of this year, ME and the Islamic/Arab world will go thru a major revolution
TRIPOLI (Reuters) – Muammar Gaddafi vowed to die in Libya as a martyr in an angry television address on Tuesday, as rebel troops said eastern regions had broken free from his rule in a burgeoning revolt.
"I am not going to leave this land, I will die here as a martyr," Gaddafi said on state television, refusing to bow to calls from his own diplomats, soldiers and protesters clamoring in the streets for an end to his four decades at the helm.
"I shall remain here defiant," said Gaddafi, speaking outside one of his residences, which was heavily damaged in a 1986 U.S. bombing raid that attempted to kill him.
Outside the building stood a monument of a giant fist crushing a U.S. warplane.
In a trademark rambling address, Gaddafi urged his supporters to take to the streets, saying protesters warranted the death sentence. He also promised a vague overhaul of government structures
Earlier, witnesses streaming across the Libyan border into Egypt said Gaddafi was using tanks, warplanes and mercenaries in an effort to stamp out the growing rebellion.
In the eastern city of Tobruk, a Reuters correspondent there said sporadic blasts could be heard, the latest sign that Gaddafi's grip on the oil and gas exporting nation was weakening.
"All the eastern regions are out of Gaddafi's control now ... The people and the army are hand-in-hand here," said the now former army major Hany Saad Marjaa.
The White House offered its condolences for the "appalling violence" in Libya and said the international community had to speak with one voice on the crisis.
The U.N. refugee agency meanwhile urged Libya's neighbors to grant refuge to those fleeing the unrest, which was triggered by decades of repression and popular revolts that toppled leaders in Tunisia and Egypt.
On the Libyan side of the border with Egypt, anti-Gaddafi rebels armed with clubs and Kalashnikov rifles welcomed visitors. One man held an upside-down picture of Gaddafi defaced with the words "the butcher tyrant, murderer of Libyans," a Reuters correspondent who crossed into Libya reported.
Hundreds of Egyptians flowed in the opposite direction on tractors and trucks, taking with them harrowing tales of state violence and banditry.
In the eastern town of Al Bayda, resident Marai Al Mahry told Reuters by telephone that 26 people including his brother Ahmed had been shot dead overnight by Gaddafi loyalists.
"They shoot you just for walking on the street," he said, sobbing uncontrollably as he appealed for help.
Protesters were attacked with tanks and warplanes, he said.
"The only thing we can do now is not give up, no surrender, no going back. We will die anyways, whether we like it or not. It is clear that they don't care whether we live or not. This is genocide," said Mahry, 42.
Human Rights Watch said 62 people had died in clashes in Tripoli in the past two days, on top of its previous toll of 233 dead. Opposition groups put the figure far much higher. U.N. rights chief Navi Pillay said the killing could amount to crimes against humanity and demanded an international probe.
The revolt in Libya, the third largest oil producer in Africa, has driven oil prices to a 2 1/2 year high above $108 a barrel, and OPEC said it would produce more crude if supplies from member Libya were disrupted.
With no end in sight to the crisis, refugees fled to Egypt.
"Five people died on the street where I live," Mohamed Jalaly, 40, told Reuters at Salum on his way to Cairo from Benghazi. "You leave Benghazi and then you have ... nothing but gangs and youths with weapons," he added. "The way from Benghazi is extremely dangerous," he said.
Libyan guards have withdrawn from their side of the border and Egypt's new military rulers -- who took power following the overthrow of President Hosni Mubarak on February11 -- said the main crossing would be kept open round-the-clock to allow the sick and wounded to enter.
Groups of rebels with assault rifles and shotguns, waved cheerily at the passing cars on a stretch of desert road, flicking the V-for-victory sign and posing with their guns, a Reuters correspondent reported.
Libyan security forces have cracked down fiercely on demonstrators across the country, with fighting spreading to Tripoli after erupting in Libya's oil-producing east last week, in a reaction to decades of
As the fighting has intensified some supporters have abandoned Gaddafi. Tripoli's envoy to India, Ali al-Essawi, resigned and told Reuters that African mercenaries had been recruited to help put down protests.
"The fall of Gaddafi is the imperative of the people in streets," he said. The justice minister also quit and a group of army officers urged soldiers to "join the people." Two pilots flew their warplanes to nearby Malta.
DEFIANCE AND CONDEMNATION
Gaddafi's son Saif on Sunday vowed his father would keep fighting "until the last man standing" and the Libyan leader appeared on television after days of seclusion to dismiss reports he had fled to the Venezuela of his ally Hugo Chavez.
"I want to show that I'm in Tripoli and not in Venezuela. Do not believe the channels belonging to stray dogs," said Gaddafi, who has ruled Libya with a mixture of populism and tight control since taking power in a military coup in 1969.
World powers have condemned the use of force against protesters, U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon accusing Libya of firing on civilians from warplanes and helicopters. The Security Council met in closed session to discuss Libya.
Washington and Europe have demanded an end to the violence and Germany's Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle said: "A ruling family, threatening its people with civil war, has reached the end of the line."
Demonstrations spread to Tripoli from the second city Benghazi, cradle of the revolt that has engulfed a number of towns and which residents say is now in the hands of protestors.
Residents said anxious shoppers were queuing outside stores to try to stock up on food and drink. Some shops were closed.
Spain's Repsol suspended all operations in Libya and sources said operations at cargo ports at Benghazi, Tripoli and Misurata had shut due to the violence.
Trade sources said Libyan oil port operations had also been disrupted and others said gas supplies from Libya to Italy had slowed since Late Monday, though Italy said they had not yet been interrupted.
Shell said it was pulling out its expatriate staff from Libya temporarily and a number of states were seeking to evacuate their nationals.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 22, 2011 - 01:05pm PT
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Well, now we know why you think it's important oh unbiased observer...
Waht's with that Gadafhiduck? He's been at it like two hours, today is he trying to present himself for potential martyrdom today? So he can jsut not have to f*#k with it anymore?
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corniss chopper
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breaking the speed of gravity
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Feb 23, 2011 - 02:17am PT
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Makes sense that they charge a toll for ships transiting the Suez Canal.
Reportedly the 2 Iranian Navy warships had to cough up $300,000 to
Egypt for the privilege. Little wonder Mubarak became a billionaire skimming
this money tree!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9upJgE_NVek
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Tready
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Montana
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Feb 23, 2011 - 02:38pm PT
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Well, I guess it's a good thing you're here to stop them.
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