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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Feb 19, 2018 - 12:47pm PT
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The fact that liddle tRump said he could shoot someone in middle of the street and his supporters would not care is turning out to be the only truthful thing he has ever said.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Feb 19, 2018 - 01:02pm PT
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We the people have to alter the 2nd amendment if we want to have fundamental gun control. There is no other viable path. The method for changing the constitution is well-established. It will take a super majority of Americans to pull it off.
Are we ready? I can tell you this, emotionally piling on Jody may be satisfying in the short term, but you alienate other gun owners when you do so. But hey, don't listen to me, I don't know sh#t. I'm just another American.
By the time we have the political super majority to push through an amendment repealing the 2nd, the battle for gun control would have already been long won. Putting your hope on this seems about as effective as just saying, "gee, once people learn to be nice to each other guns won't be a problem."
I guess you could have the scenario where a super majority was passing laws and the SC was striking them down and this was the only way forward.
I'm very cynical that anything, barring maybe some sort of futuristic technology, is going to change anytime soon. Vulnerable Dems voting for gun control laws that don't get enacted but may help cause them to lose elections is a lose/lose situation.
Over the course of decades/generations, sure, attitudes can change. The pro gun control side needs to create an organization as effective as the NRA. Much easier said than done.
As far as how to define an assault rifle ban: One thing that should be done is to get rid of both high capacity guns and removable magazines. If you had to hand load 3 or 4 bullets into a gun at a time, it would cut back on the ability of mass shootings while still allowing rifles for hunting. (Hey, if you are that bad of a shot, pick another sport). For home defense, people should use shotguns.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Feb 19, 2018 - 01:04pm PT
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This^ shows two mass shootings in the first six months of 2015. Your chart shows 42 mass shootings.
Which is correct?
As far as how to define an assault rifle ban: One thing that should be done is to get rid of both high capacity guns and removable magazines. If you had to hand load 3 or 4 bullets into a gun at a time, it would cut back on the ability of mass shootings while still allowing rifles for hunting. (Hey, if you are that bad of a shot, pick another sport). For home defense, people should use shotguns.
Good post.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Feb 19, 2018 - 02:45pm PT
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Your chart is dishonest propaganda, using the newest, all-inclusive definition for mass shooting. Even Mother Jones challenged it.
In fact, there have been four mass shootings this year. Or, if you count using the federal government’s current criteria—three or more victims killed in an indiscriminate public rampage—there have been six mass shootings this year. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/12/no-there-were-not-355-mass-shootings-this-year/
That's for all of 2015.
I just wanted to see if you'd own it.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Feb 19, 2018 - 05:56pm PT
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
Feb 19, 2018 - 05:15pm PT
grow up Edward,
Grow up?
Like you?
<chortle>
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Feb 19, 2018 - 06:09pm PT
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Somebody been stalkin' the eigth dwarf?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 19, 2018 - 06:46pm PT
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If we want shorter term significant steps to protect our children then I think it may be time to spend the money to secure our public school campuses, with fences, metal detectors and armed police presence.
And just think, back in our day at school all we had to worry about was Soviet H-bombs!
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Feb 19, 2018 - 07:36pm PT
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F&ckin Commies!!!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Feb 19, 2018 - 07:54pm PT
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Trump wall prototypes paid protection money
The San Diego Union-Tribune reported in January that the city spent $826,354 on security, including about $227,500 in overtime and the balance in wages and supplies. The department was not providing security for the walls but patrolling and securing the area near the build — city streets in an Otay Mesa business park
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 19, 2018 - 08:12pm PT
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That's fake news...Obama wasn't an American citizen...His parents were muslim...
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Feb 19, 2018 - 08:22pm PT
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Yes. Really an African Muslim from a sh*thole country. Thank God we have a real American like tRump and his KKK posse to show us the way to fat old white man combover paradise.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 19, 2018 - 08:42pm PT
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Johnny, I'm confused. If someone is born in America of American citizens, they are automatically not citizens if the parents are Muslim?
How about Jews?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Feb 19, 2018 - 08:43pm PT
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Well Harvey Lee Oswald didn't own an AR-15 did he? Nor did Jim Jones
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 20, 2018 - 06:41am PT
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Well Harvey Lee Oswald didn't own an AR-15 did he?
And how many did he kill?
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 20, 2018 - 07:02am PT
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When did his CIA duty end?
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Feb 20, 2018 - 07:28am PT
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Everybody wants to own a gun, fine, but they have to buy liability insurance along with it.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Feb 20, 2018 - 07:44am PT
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"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788
I'll drink to that. ;-)
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787
"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Feb 20, 2018 - 07:53am PT
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^^^^^^^I have a problem with people who think that the constitution is static. scalia thought that way, and you see what happened to him.
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sempervirens
climber
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Feb 20, 2018 - 08:10am PT
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Edward,
Those quotes are their opinions. Respected as Madison and Jefferson may be or not be, their opinions are not binding, right.
Consider the first one. If that is your opinion then would you agree we peaceable citizens should have legal right to own all and any arms? Upthread, grenades were mentioned. Add to that: grenade launchers, flame throwers, tanks, etc. If you are absolutist in the right to bear arms, where would you draw the line? Or is there no line? Take the usual NRA-supported arguments: "...only criminals will have flame throwers...", "only a good guy with a tank can stop a bad guy with a tank...". Considering that, what should we do?
The constitution, of course is binding and I'm not arguing otherwise.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Feb 20, 2018 - 08:16am PT
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Static?
Are you familiar with Amendments 11-27?
And what are you referring to about what happened to Scalia?
He died in his sleep at age 79.
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