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TLP
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Feb 18, 2018 - 10:42pm PT
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Dingus, you are right that the Supreme Court decided (wrongly) that one half of the 2nd amendment takes priority over the other. However, interestingly, even Mr. originalist Scalia allowed that it really would be correct to construe it only to cover the weapons in existence at the time - single shot muzzle loaders. I'd be fine with that.
But it will take a long time to restaff that Court to make a wiser decision consistent with the original verbiage. And to amend the 2nd amendment in a meaningful way - not in our lifetimes and probably not before the U.S. goes to pieces itself, which it is rapidly on the way to doing. The politics and number of states it would take is just infeasible.
No, the remedy will come from a time-honored American method: criminal and civil liability. It wouldn't be hard to repeal the unconstitutional law protecting the firearms industry (which violates the 1st amendment protecting the right of the people to petition for redress of grievances - namely damages); or to run it up the courts and have it thrown out. States could pass laws holding owners or sellers of firearms criminally liable in case the ones they sold/transferred/gave without taking every precaution and following every required procedure were used in crimes - with penalties matching those of the crime itself. And states could increase the penalties for failing to do background checks or a host of other similar things. People and merchants would start to get a lot more careful. Insurance companies would start to get a lot more hesitant, and people might start to think, do I really need this thing? Nah.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Feb 19, 2018 - 05:37am PT
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Some of you who don't smoke dope may be able to remember back to the '90s, when the homicide rate was twice what it is today.
Homicide of all kinds - firearms included - is on a downward trend, and has been for over 25 years. Is NOW the time to f*#k with the Constitution?
And all this time the homicide rate is dropping, people are buying more guns than ever.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 19, 2018 - 07:40am PT
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Trump received 30 million from the NRA for his presidential campaign...Get money out of politics...
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Yury
Mountain climber
T.O.
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Feb 19, 2018 - 08:41am PT
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Norton:
Clearly, while the rate of overall homicides is down the rate of mass murder is now escalating Is this an issues? I do not think so.
Victims of mass shootings represent a small percent of overall number of victims.
states with restrictive gun laws like Massachusetts have lower rates of gun death than Alaska with loose gun laws
"Correlation doesn't mean causation."
What about such cities as Chicago and New York?
They have tougher gun laws and at the same time more homicides than e.g. in Houston.
If we care about people lives, we need to pay attention to all causes of death; in this case it would be easier to identify an opportunities with the highest ROI.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Feb 19, 2018 - 08:59am PT
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Norton - Your chart looks like propaganda.
Forty five mass shootings in the first 6 mos. of 2015?
List ten.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 19, 2018 - 09:02am PT
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Because effective gun control is going to require massive support, way way more than 50%.
Indeed, considering that the rural ares of the nation are vastly over-represented in both houses of congress.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Feb 19, 2018 - 09:22am PT
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I heard an interesting psychological study of mass shooters.
Most are white men(we knew that), and most mass shooters are from rural america.
It seems that many of these shooters feel that they have been wronged, be it from a failed relationship, or from society in general.
Supposedly dumbf*#k drumpf asked his guests, at mar a lago, what he should do about gun control, wtf!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 19, 2018 - 09:24am PT
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California’s law also empowers police to petition for the protective orders, which can require authorities to remove firearms for up to one year.
“Up to one year”? Isn’t that about the dumbest thing you’ve ever read?
Oh, wait, I forgot it comes from the Cali legislature, which thinks 100 billion dollars for
a train nobody will ride is money well spent but thinks giving guns back to a nutter is
also the right thing to do.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Feb 19, 2018 - 09:39am PT
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But what about the bombings?
There were over 200 bombings in the US in 1970 alone, by all sorts of political groups (the Puerto Rican Liberation Front, the Jewish Defense League, the Weathermen, the Black Panthers, anti-Castro groups, white supremacists, etc., etc.) There was essentially no religious terrorism; that came in the 80s and 90s. But let's zoom in on 1978 onward, after the crazy period we inaccurately call "the sixties".
Now let's look at terrorist acts of all kinds in the US:
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Feb 19, 2018 - 10:18am PT
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“Up to one year”? Isn’t that about the dumbest thing you’ve ever read?
The purpose of the law is to try to prevent guns from being used in the heat of the moment. If a person is considered a threat after a year then the authorities can petition for another weapons ban. A lifetime ban is likely to not pass constitutional muster (due process for a start)
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Feb 19, 2018 - 10:28am PT
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Thanks T Hocking.
Until recently, mass shootings were defined as four or more killed. Gang related and domestic violence incidents were excluded. One current definition includes events where at least four people were shot, even if no one was killed.
If we want to have honest discussions about this, let's stop redefining key factors.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 19, 2018 - 11:14am PT
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Trump Jr. to give foreign policy speech while on ‘unofficial’ business trip to India
A plan for Trump Tower buyers to meet the president’s son sparked concerns of potential conflict of interest, and the fact that Donald Trump Jr. will be giving a policy speech complicates the matter further, ethics experts said.
Now we'll really find out about the quality of our leadership.....
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Feb 19, 2018 - 11:22am PT
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“Up to one year”? Isn’t that about the dumbest thing you’ve ever read?
Oh, wait, I forgot it comes from the Cali legislature, which thinks 100 billion dollars for
a train nobody will ride is money well spent but thinks giving guns back to a nutter is
also the right thing to do.
Makes me think they are coming for you.
On the other hand, it is renewable.
But this about logic, from someone who supports never taking guns away, or never not allowing them to buy, to a nutter......
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 19, 2018 - 11:43am PT
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^^^^ Obviously you too need to sign up for my StuporTopo Reading Comprehension and
Just Say No To Whole Clothe Fabrication class. Or should I just let you post for me so I
don’t have to guess at what you think I should say?
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Feb 19, 2018 - 11:56am PT
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 19, 2018 - 12:44pm PT
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I know i'll feel safer when Hocking turns in his guns...
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