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MH2

climber

Aug 29, 2014 - 06:24pm PT

Ah, but awareness of what? That is the question. Let's say you are aware of a glass of water on a table in front of you. However, your retina only registers patterns of light. Where does the glass of water and the table show up?

jgill

Boulder climber

Colorado

Aug 29, 2014 - 06:31pm PT

In your mind's eye?

MH2

climber

Aug 29, 2014 - 06:40pm PT

Well, sure, in nontechnical language. Good place to leave it, really.

clinker

Trad climber

Santa Cruz, California

Aug 29, 2014 - 09:16pm PT

I'm going with Werner on this. Seriously.

jgill

Boulder climber

Colorado

Aug 29, 2014 - 09:55pm PT

And keep guessing and speculating about those contents and their taste which are inside that jar

Unrequited love molds character.

Don't knock it, Duck!

;>)

Psilocyborg

climber

Aug 29, 2014 - 10:42pm PT

WB wants you to taste the rainbow

Mark Force

Trad climber

Cave Creek, AZ

Aug 29, 2014 - 11:18pm PT

Bushman

Social climber

Elk Grove, CA

Aug 30, 2014 - 06:39am PT

Thought I saw Einstein at Woodstock last week.
At least I thought it was last week.

go-B

climber

Cling to what is good!

Aug 30, 2014 - 06:43am PT

...must be something they ate!

MikeL

Social climber

Seattle, WA

Aug 30, 2014 - 04:43pm PT

Everyone has their experiences, which is what they are attempting to report.

MH2

climber

Aug 30, 2014 - 08:21pm PT

You are a wonderful straight man, MikeL.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Aug 30, 2014 - 08:29pm PT

Even Gita says this that awareness or soul

That's a little conflation go'in on ain't it?

Tvash

climber

Seattle

Aug 31, 2014 - 02:06am PT

"Never open it and taste the inside contents."

Sage advice, Yogi.

Spider Savage

Mountain climber

The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles

Aug 31, 2014 - 10:31am PT

We are the ordinary people who rule the universe.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Aug 31, 2014 - 11:15am PT

^^^for a minute i thought you said the universe created you and runs your mind.

Mark Force

Trad climber

Cave Creek, AZ

Aug 31, 2014 - 12:46pm PT

Read an op-ed by David Brooks from The New York Times a few days ago. It is titled The mental Virtues and had some interesting ideas that seemed worth sharing. Posted it as another thread where DMT suggested posting it here. So, if you want to complain, it's his fault! ;-)

I'm curious to see if it will create some discussion and where it will go. Here is the post:

"Interesting op-ed in The New York Times from David Brooks on holding some key virtues (values) in mind for developing of our thinking. http://nyti.ms/1pnBuI2

According to Brooks, these values include love of learning (curiosity), intellectual courage (willingness to hold unpopular views, self-regulation of beliefs and views, critical consideration of information), strength of position (firmly held through critical self-evaluation, but not dogmatic, strength of conviction appropriately adjusted to strength of evidence), humility (not letting vanity or the desire for status get in the way of accuracy), autonomy (thinking for yourself, avoiding merely parroting others thinking), and generosity.

Brooks talks about generosity in these terms, "This virtue starts with the willingness to share knowledge and give others credit. But it also means hearing others as they would like to be heard, looking for what each person has to teach and not looking to triumphantly pounce upon their errors."

And, Brooks summarizes with, "very often thinking well means pushing against the grain of our nature — against vanity, against laziness, against the desire for certainty, against the desire to avoid painful truths. Good thinking isn’t just adopting the right technique. It’s a moral enterprise and requires good character, the ability to go against our lesser impulses for the sake of our higher ones."

Inspired me to want to share and work on doing a better job satisfying those values.

ST reminds me of hanging around the campfire after a day climbing (mostly); seems like it works when everyone in on the conversation is reasonable and respectful to the degree there is foundation present for the leg-pulling, teasing, challenging, and sh#t talking to stay in good fun."

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Aug 31, 2014 - 01:28pm PT

And, Brooks summarizes with, "very often thinking well means pushing against the grain of our nature — against vanity, against laziness, against the desire for certainty, against the desire to avoid painful truths. Good thinking isn’t just adopting the right technique. It’s a moral enterprise and requires good character, the ability to go against our lesser impulses for the sake of our higher ones."

This sounds like reading from Proverbs