The Gun debate sandbox

I believe you miss the point. Many millions of law abiding citizens have a right protected by the constitution. We do not wish to have it infringed upon by you or like thinkers.

Stricter regulations may seem the solution but we choose not to give up our rights. Pretty simple.

You and the few thousand gun fearing folks will just have to find a solution that will be both effective and not restrict us law abiding folks. A little more difficult, but we won't stand for the easy way.

Further more i AM of the baby boomer generation and have many friends and know many others in that and gen x, who i have personally observed as being extremely ineffective parents. The mere fact that little kids still shyt their britches at 3 and beyond is utterly ridiculous. ( in the late 50s/early 60s my siblings and i were potty trained at 14 months- there were no disposable diapers then). And the "learning in their own time" philosophy is a sad joke on them. In life, one must learn on many other time tables and not your own perceived ones.

Kids are out of control far more these days because thats the exact way they have been raised. And of course im NOT saying that ALL KIDS are raised that way. In fact ive commented about other STers here about how i observed their kids to be very well raised, like KennyTs youngsters who i met at the first woodfest. I observed them to be very well mannered and trained.

edit: And further more Deagaine,, it is NOT govts place to let thirteen yr old girls have free access to morning after pills WITHOUT parents knowledge. That in effect usurps parents rights.. Instead of doing the hard thing and raising kids with responsibility, the govt in its infinite stupidity decided to do just that. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

In fact, in my life, there have never been more new people entering the gun owner status. There have never been more people securing CCW licenses , and never been more hunters afield than now and never been more crowded gun ranges.

And we will not agree on child raising technique. Period.

As far as you tit-willy libs go and your desire to see them leave the planet- AINT GONNA HAPPEN. In fact you loose that battle daily as good americans arm themsleves by the throngs. Ammo manufacturers burning the midnight oil 24/7.

And about a hundred million OTHER GUNS killed no one.. My guns killed no one, and my buddies guns killed no one.. And ALL OF mys customers guns killed no one, and all their familys guns killed no one , and the NRA members guns killed no one and the militias guns killed no one, and the 700K at local gun ranges killed no one, and -- and --- and --- etc etc etc etc etc.

TROUTDALE -- Police responded shortly after 8 a.m. to a report of shots fired at Reynolds High School. Police confirmed about 9:20 a.m. that a shooter in the incident was dead.

At 10 a.m., police confirmed that one student had also been killed. The students names and genders have not been released.

SWAT teams were working their way through the school, releasing students from classrooms who are leaving with their hands over their heads.

"Can the crawling creator crawling in the same dark as his creature create while crawling?" One of the questions he put to himself as between two crawls he lay.

And if the obvious answer were not far to seek, the most helpful was another matter. And many crawls were necessary before he could finally make up his imagination on this score. Adding to himself without conviction in the same breath as always that no answer of his was sacred ....

So while in the same breath deploring a fancy so reason-ridden and observing how revocable its flights he could not but answer finally:

"No he could not. Could not conceivably create while crawling in the same create dark as his creature."

Are schools and colleges dangerous places, with lots of gun violence?

Some groups paint a picture of these places being particularly unsafe. Supposedly both murders and firearm suicides are very common at educational institutions. Last Wednesday, former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s two groups, Moms Demand Gun Sense in America and Mayors Against Illegal Guns, jointly released a report that received massive uncritical news coverage.

They claimed that 44 shootings occurred in schools and colleges nationwide since the Newtown, Conn. massacre on Dec. 14, 2012 and Feb. 10 of this year. Out of the 44 shootings, a total of 28 died. To dramatize their numbers, Bloomberg’s groups emphasized that one of these attacks occurred every 10 days.

But their statistics are not what they seem. Included in the numbers are suicides. Also included are late night shootings taking place in school parking lots, on their grounds or even off school property, often involving gangs. As “shootings,” they also include any incident where shots were fired, even when nobody was injured.
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Also, some perspective is needed. Contrary to what many people believe, high school shootings have actually been falling over the last two decades. To illustrate this let’s compare the five school years 1992-93 to 1996-97 with the five school years from 2008-09 to 2012-13. During the first period, the number of non-gang, non-suicide shooting deaths averaged 25 a year. During the recent five-year period, it averaged less than half that, 10 per year – and that figure does include the horrific Newtown massacre.