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donini
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Ouray, Colorado
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Jul 20, 2017 - 03:49pm PT
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I'm there with you jonnyrig....seems Werner was right about Americans all along.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jul 20, 2017 - 07:08pm PT
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That crowd Stone spoke to was a group of Bundy supporters, they are a special brand of stupid
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c wilmot
climber
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Jul 26, 2017 - 12:39pm PT
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http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nevada-bundy-20170726-story.html
A supporter of the bundy's just got a 68 year sentence. I don't support their actions but 68 years ? For making idle threats and walking around armed? That's clearly a message to the US people to NEVER speak out against the US government...ever
What's really insane though is we arm terrorists in places like Syria to overthrow their legitimate government
And everyone supports it with taxes. If you don't pay your taxes to fund such chaos and death you will be jailed
Do as we say not as we do...
Oh- and keep in mind we sentenced an actual terrorist who killed a US soldier in Afghanistan to 8 years. He has since returned to Canada where he was awarded 10 million dollars and apologized to...
Our "justice" system is a joke
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 26, 2017 - 12:47pm PT
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^^^^ Boy, howdy! The wife was just on a jury that convicted some gang banger of beating his 'girl friend' within an inch of her life (she was in ICU for WEEKS!) and he will probably get only 3 years. I know, he had a rough childhood.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Jul 26, 2017 - 01:26pm PT
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Talk about self-entitled snowflakes. Burleson wanted leniency because he was an alcoholic.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jul 26, 2017 - 01:40pm PT
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From the Las Vegas Review Journal:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/bundy-blm/bundy-supporter-burleson-sentenced-to-68-years-in-prison/
Gregory Burleson, a member of Arizona militia groups who participated in the 2014 armed standoff in Bunkerville, was sentenced Wednesday to more than 68 years in federal prison.
During the standoff, which resulted in federal agents deserting an operation to round up rancher Cliven Bundy’s cattle, Burleson was photographed with a long gun, moving around the sandy wash where Bureau of Land Management agents were headquartered.
After the standoff, he posted incendiary, anti-government messages on Facebook. “I was hell bent on killing federal agents that had turned their back on we the people,” he told an undercover FBI agent who posed as a documentary filmmaker in order to interview him.
I don't have a problem with his sentence.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 26, 2017 - 01:45pm PT
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I don't have a problem with his sentence.
Did he harm another human being? No.
Did he even assault a federal officer? No.
Did he talk sh!t on the internet? Yes.
I guess we should all be rounded up.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Jul 26, 2017 - 02:10pm PT
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I totally think these guys should be punished, we can't have armed militias stalking federal agents. But 68 years is way out of line unless we are missing something major.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 26, 2017 - 02:15pm PT
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“I was hell bent on killing federal agents..."
Yeah, that will get you more than a deuce in the slam every time.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Jul 26, 2017 - 02:18pm PT
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I guess we should all be rounded up.
Don't know about you but I have never brandished a weapon or threatened anyone.
and then there is this...
Burleson was given two drinks before his undercover interview, and he told the judge several times Wednesday that he has a drinking problem. His health has deteriorated since the standoff in April 2014 — he now is blind, suffers from seizures, and requires the use of a wheelchair.
^ from the Las Vegas Review Journal
Those 3 ailments are easy to fake. Classic 'tough' guy. He is just stressed that he actually ruined his life and will be booze-less till his final breaths.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 26, 2017 - 02:36pm PT
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I have never brandished a weapon or threatened anyone
"Brandishing a weapon" and threatening non-specific people on the intardnet
is worth 68 years? You must be in favor of hanging and the guillotine.
I'm gonna go brandish my weapon now. Oops, I forgot this is a family forum.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Jul 26, 2017 - 02:46pm PT
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Nope, not that either. How did you infer capital punishment from my post? I forgot to add that I think 68 is a too stiff but...
Look up the definition of brandish.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jul 26, 2017 - 02:49pm PT
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Oh- and keep in mind we sentenced an actual terrorist who killed a US soldier in Afghanistan
it's called war. He shouldn't have been sentenced to any time.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jul 26, 2017 - 02:51pm PT
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Did he harm another human being? No.
Did he even assault a federal officer? No.
Did he talk sh!t on the internet? Yes.
Yeah, but he is guilty of being ignorant. That's worth at least twenty years
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 26, 2017 - 02:59pm PT
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Look up the definition of brandish
IF there is a federal law prohibiting 'brandishing a weapon' I
seriously doubt the penalty is as long as the pathetic three years the gang
banger who nearly killed the woman in my wife's trial is going to get.
But, hey, at least he didn't threaten her on the internet.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Jul 26, 2017 - 03:02pm PT
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^^yeah, I said too stiff.
But emotion should not factor into a prison sentence
Nope and neither should $$ but they both do.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jul 26, 2017 - 03:09pm PT
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Reilly, we all have cute anecdotes about the law. A friend of a friend . . . . blah blah blah. however that is not how the law works.
The 68 years might be excessive, on the other hand Burleson is a vile dangerous person who needs to be locked up. The group of them assaulted Federal officers. They have no respect for the law and Burleson expressed a desire to kill them. Now he can sober up, let this be a lesson to the next participants in the on going range war.
Blacks Law Dictionary
Black's Law dictionary defines criminal and tortious assault as "the threat or use of force on another that causes that person to have a reasonable apprehension of imminent harmful or offensive contact; the act of putting another person in reasonable fear or apprehension of an immediate battery by means of an act
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Mr. Rogers
climber
The Land of Make-Believe
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Jul 26, 2017 - 03:18pm PT
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Mandatory minimum for his crimes was 57 years.
If I had to bet, I'd guess there's a law out there with the name of a dead cop/fed that imposes serious penalties on threatening feds and pointing guns at them.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Jul 26, 2017 - 03:24pm PT
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Pretty sure we will see a constitutional attack on the sentence. He was sentenced under Federal guidelines, which have generally been upheld. It is a complicated, rigid very objective means of sentencing. Now that white folks are getting screwed maybe they will take a look at it.
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