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BLUEBLOCR
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joshua tree
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Aug 24, 2014 - 09:42pm PT
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Great, you showed me how much exhaustingly endless work there is to do on operations. 356 yrs? That must have been pre-computers?
All that she has to do is to understand and agree with them.
My narrowedly mind must have been focused on the here and now in todays job market. And not that of a Mathematician.
Mostly i was trying to discern the linear truth of Mathematics and that of playing the fiddle.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 24, 2014 - 10:26pm PT
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we can do that... you might even use it in construction to lay out a 90º corner..
Nah! i jus use The Construction Master calculator trademarked to multiply in inches and feet. Wish i had thought of that one back in 88' It calculates diagonals and pitches. It takes away the motivation to think.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Aug 24, 2014 - 10:56pm PT
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My narrowedly mind must have been focused on the here and now in todays job market. And not that of a Mathematician.
worse than that, you think that the skill of doing arithmetic operations has some relevance to today's job market. Critical thinking is probably a better skill to develop, and you can do that puzzling out the answers to mathematical questions, by doing mathematics.
whether or not you become a mathematician...
do you believe that she should just learn the alphabet, and some rules of grammar? and only the simplest means of communicating with language, oral and written?
and whose to say she couldn't make a living as a mathematician? or even solve one of those long standing mathematical questions?
but to say that she shouldn't have to worry if something difficult confronts her because it is irrelevant to "real life" seems a bit defeatist and maybe not the best life lesson to teach.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 24, 2014 - 11:21pm PT
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They use mathematical function and presence of mind,
My point precisely. All RN's are taught those number equations, and more. It's all elementary linearalogy up through surgeons. It's all about narrowing in down and pinpointing the one chaotic numerical activity.
As opposed to fiddle playing, where the chaotic numerical activity is the "bending" or "streching/shrinking" of the notes and the spaces between.
Both are chaotic and random, thus undetermined mathematically.
In another words you couldn't put a mathematical equation on Myles Davis. Or whoever plays the fiddle like Myles plays the trumpet.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 24, 2014 - 11:32pm PT
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^^^NoOne can play like Jimmie!
edit: He could be recorded and duped. But NOT predicted!
edit:edit: 4/4 can be predicted. Jimmie/Myles NO!
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Aug 25, 2014 - 08:55am PT
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mathematicians are highly creative people...
and mathematics is a highly creative activity...
you like some music, and dislike other music... and probably have an opinion, where does that come from? you think it is not predictable?
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 25, 2014 - 09:08am PT
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Creativity is mostly about breaking existing rules, and integrating and extending what already exists, and capitalizing on what originally may be viewed as 'mistakes'. Hendrix was an amazing blues artist before he blew the lid off of rock and roll - which, in itself, sprung for pre-existing genres. His electric guitar originally hails from jazz, and his slide guitar style originated in Africa. To that he added huge, strong hands for his single-handed style and the occasional dose of lighter fluid.
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 25, 2014 - 10:32am PT
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Chalk one up for the existence of ghosts?
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Aug 25, 2014 - 10:39am PT
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worse than that, you think that the skill of doing arithmetic operations has some relevance to today's job market. Critical thinking is probably a better skill to develop, and you can do that puzzling out the answers to mathematical questions, by doing mathematics.
whether or not you become a mathematician...
do you believe that she should just learn the alphabet, and some rules of grammar? and only the simplest means of communicating with language, oral and written?
and whose to say she couldn't make a living as a mathematician? or even solve one of those long standing mathematical questions?
but to say that she shouldn't have to worry if something difficult confronts her because it is irrelevant to "real life" seems a bit defeatist and maybe not the best life lesson to teach.
+1
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Tvash
climber
Seattle
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Aug 25, 2014 - 11:23am PT
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A gold Spanish doubloon to any man who can explain scale symmetry in clearer terms than that article, although I fear that article was as good as it gets for us dummies.
I did learn that the Planck mass is about a 1/10th of a poppy seed. Combine 2 Planck masses to bake a black hole.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 25, 2014 - 01:10pm PT
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Ed you said
but to say that she shouldn't have to worry if something difficult confronts her because it is irrelevant to "real life" seems a bit defeatist and maybe not the best life lesson to teach.
How did you get that out of this:
i was just telling my daughter today that math is the easiest class she'll ever take, because all the answers are known. All that she has to do is to understand and agree with them. Am i wrong?
i've definitely been promoting math to her!!!
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Aug 25, 2014 - 01:31pm PT
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That scale symmetry article posted by cintune is a head-scratcher for sure. Here is a simple mathematical oddity in which lengths are not what they appear to be: Diagonal Paradox.
Is this a kind of mathematical scale symmetry, where the distinction between "short" and "long" is blurred? Perhaps, but a great distance from the sophisticated material in that link.
BB asked about the satisfaction of the "journey." I would speculate that many traditional climbers are at heart explorers. There's a real satisfaction in going into territory unexplored by other climbers and finding new climbs, even if they turn out to be not as challenging as one might have desired. The exploration itself provides gratification. The same is true of math.
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Aug 25, 2014 - 02:59pm PT
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WT said”IMO it's about high time to bring the "meditative arts " into proper appositional perspective, like fiddling, as a healthy corollary to daily living ---and thereby hopefully rid it of any awkwardly high pretensions of a profoundly existential nature.”
That is funny!
I used to practice Zen in such a manor, as just another activity like fiddling,golf or climbing etc. treating it like one of many separate things that “I” did ….” As a corollary to daily living”.
But as I practiced more and did more retreats my perspective switched to notice when attachment to “I” would appear in it’s various forms of fear, envy , anger,craving etc. during all the activities and to ask where does that come from? what it it really?
So rather than Zen being just another self improvement or recreational activity such as yoga has become(to many); all activities become zen.
And as a famous zen story illustrates;when a zen master is asked what is zen (he was cleaning an out house with a stick at the time) he said “a sh#t stick” as he held it up. The activity of the moment.
So you are correct it is important to expose that it is not highly pretentious or existential in nature; but if it is viewed as something that “I” am doing to make “I” more healthy then that is not zen . that is a self improvement program; zen asks what is this self ?
Trungkpa wrote a very good book about this called spiritual materialism
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Aug 25, 2014 - 06:35pm PT
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So you are correct it is important to expose that it is not highly pretentious or existential in nature; but if it is viewed as something that “I” am doing to make “I” more healthy then that is not zen . that is a self improvement program; zen asks what is this self ?
I was referring generally to meditation in my historic comment you cited. I know little about Zen ,but now I know it is not to be mistaken or exclusively confused with the lowly ego-grasping domain of mere self- improvement .
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Aug 25, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
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My narrowedly mind must have been focused on the here and now in todays job market. And not that of a Mathematician.
what should I conclude from your statement? obviously, you don't think that understanding mathematics is a skill that can be relevant to "todays job market."
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jgill
Boulder climber
Colorado
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Aug 25, 2014 - 07:03pm PT
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. . . attachment to “I” would appear in it’s various forms of fear, envy , anger, craving etc (PSP)
Once again "I" (or attachment to "I") is described as a demonic possession. What of confidence, graciousness, joy, and fulfillment: the blessings of "I" ?
I see in these Zen expressions the underpinnings of bushido and loyalty unto death of the samurai. It's so easy to die for one's lord if "I" consciousness is absent.
So sad . . .
;>(
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cintune
climber
The Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
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Aug 25, 2014 - 07:43pm PT
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Buddhist Extremist Cell Vows To Unleash Tranquility On West
“In the name of the Great Teacher, we will stop at nothing to unleash a firestorm of empathy, compassion, and true selflessness upon the West,” said Rinpoche, adding that all enemies of a freely flowing, unfettered state of mind will be “besieged with pure, everlasting happiness.” “No city will be spared from spiritual harmony. We will bring about the end to all Western pain and anxiety, to all destructive cravings, to all greed, delusion, and misplaced desire. Indeed, we will bring the entire United States to its knees in deep meditation.”
“Wisdom and virtue to America!” continued Rinpoche. “Wisdom and virtue to all living things on earth!”
http://www.theonion.com/articles/buddhist-extremist-cell-vows-to-unleash-tranquilit,34623/
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Mar'
Trad climber
Fanta Se
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Aug 25, 2014 - 08:23pm PT
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It's a good thing! haha!!
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