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McHale's Navy
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Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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Nov 17, 2012 - 11:19pm PT
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I don't think too many people realize just how many dinosaurs we've burned - millions of years worth - in a very short period - it aint so natural. People don't understand the degree to which we have leveraged the planet. The Dinosaur spirits are now with us! Invisible dinosaurs are with us - blowing our doors down!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 17, 2012 - 11:47pm PT
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Dark cavemen? Did they come before, after, or co-exist with some lighter type? Did they have better SPF in their genes?
Oh Rock Who Talks (what a wonderful thing!), the lungs of the children of earth suffer their agony as their progress chokes the sh#t out of them. Too right!
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Nov 17, 2012 - 11:57pm PT
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First Chief says:
Go to Wiki and look up human. Then look up planet earth.
Human: 50 something thousand years.
Earth: 4.54 Billion years.
Then, after relying on relying on science to disprove it:
I don't care how old the earth may be nor how long it will last.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Nov 18, 2012 - 12:05am PT
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The Origin of the Ranks and Rank Insignia Now Used by the United States Armed Forces
Enlisted Ranks:
Petty Officer
The Petty Officer can trace his title back to the old French word petit meaning something small. Over the years the word also came to mean minor, secondary and subordinate. In medieval and later England just about every village had several "petite", "pety" or "petty" officials/officers who were subordinate to such major officials as the steward of sheriff. The petty officers were the assistants to the senior officials.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 18, 2012 - 12:08am PT
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Got little to do with burning dead dinosaurs. I know you guys know this, why you continually lie is baffling!
Blue, being baffled is the least of your issues, particularly if you think 'burning dead dinosaurs' is without consequence to our climate. And chief, if you think NWO and blue's post are anything but complete tripe your position is beyond hopeless and bankrupt.
And chief, the only thing baffling about this thread is that for some reason you seem incapable of acknowledging reality which simply undercuts your position. Why you don't stick to aspects of the issue which can be debated with some credibility is beyond me. As it is, the more resistant you are to the reality of the science the more you reinforce the perception you're just another wingnut.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Nov 18, 2012 - 12:09am PT
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http://www.hardscrabblefarm.com/ww2/wac_salute.htm
The salute has an additional purpose. It is evidence of respect for authority. In the Army, an officer does not determine his own authority nor just assume as much of it as he feels he should have; his authority is prescribed and becomes his duty and responsibility whether or not he likes it. In saluting, you acknowledge respect for the position and authority of the officer who holds that position.
Persons to salute
You are required to salute all commissioned officer, both male and female, of the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard, and members of the Army and Navy Nurse Corps, and all warrent officers and flight officers. It is customary to salute officers of United Nations when you recognize them as such. Do not salute noncommissioned officers or petty officers.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 18, 2012 - 12:10am PT
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Not so fast, there. Chief Petty Officers deserve a bit more respect. They are entrusted by Congress to train the officers. It's the law. It's also tradition. n00bs be the same all over the place. :O)
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 18, 2012 - 12:34am PT
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Granite Nutcase nitpicker wouldn't last long in any unit anyway.
Nobody would want to team up with a stupid nitpick nutcase like him to begin with.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Nov 18, 2012 - 12:43am PT
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Werner,
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Nov 18, 2012 - 06:14pm PT
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For a topic that is pretty much purely science related, I have to split when the chief takes over the discussion here. I saw Ed waste way too much time responding to The Chief on this thread.
Sorry, Chief. If I still drank beer I am sure that we could spend a pleasant evening together. Sometimes a person comes across differently on the web.
I was working on one of my long posts about several famous CO2 forced hothouse events in the geologic past and how they are known. Now I am just gonna read TR's and comment on Steck Salathe beta.
I could teach you guys how oil and gas are formed. Where and why they accumulate in certain areas, go into markets and drilling techniques, but it is a waste of breath.
I remember The Chief recently saying that he lives his life exactly the way he wants to every day, but posting here from dawn to sleepy time every day seems kind of pathetic. I have gotten into that habit, and it is hardly fulfilling to me. I catch myself doing at it and feel pretty pathetic.
Sorry to rag on you directly, The Chief, but such is life.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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Nov 18, 2012 - 06:33pm PT
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base 104,i went to school for geology,i could not agree with you more,just sayin
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2012 - 09:54pm PT
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Ed, I too have determined that as well. That is why I do not read The Cheif's posts anymore.
A bigger as#@&%e I have never seen in some 15+ years posting to internet forums.
@The Chief, get a clue.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Nov 18, 2012 - 10:43pm PT
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I was working on one of my long posts about several famous CO2 forced hothouse events in the geologic past and how they are known. Now I am just gonna read TR's and comment on Steck Salathe beta.
I could teach you guys how oil and gas are formed. Where and why they accumulate in certain areas, go into markets and drilling techniques, but it is a waste of breath.
Go ahead with the post. I'll read it and so will many others. One person can only ruin it if you let them.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Nov 19, 2012 - 01:14am PT
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Thanks for this post, Ed.
Please just IGNORE the static coming from Chief.
Unless you think that this would accomplish anything. LOL
[quote]one well known issue with climate models has been the role clouds play and how to treat the underlying physical processes. Models treat clouds as "sub grid" phenomena, the models do not yet have the space or time resolution to handle cloud processes. This results in a number of different approaches on accounting for clouds.
In a paper appearing in the Nov. 9th Science "A Less Cloudy Future: The Role of Subtropical Subsidence in Climate Sensitivity" John T. Fasullo and Kevin E. Trenberth propose a way to use the characterization of the conditions in which clouds form to constrain the models instead of using the clouds themselves. By this they mean things like the relative humidity as a function of space and time in the atmosphere.
They first make use of satellite observations to look for covariability of relative humidity and albedo. Albedo is the amount of sunlight reflected by the clouds back into space. They find "It is notable that RH at a single level (500 hPa) is strongly related with albedo, which is largely determined by clouds throughout the vertical extent of the troposphere. The coherence underscores the utility of RH [relative humidity] in diagnosing clouds both locally and throughout the depth of the vertical column through its association with monsoon teleconnections."
The relative humidity is strongly related to the clouds.
Given that correlation, between relative humidity and clouds, they look at the various models' ability to predict the observed relative humidity distributions in space and time. They find the models which agree with the observed relative humidity dynamics are those that have a higher climate sensitivity, that is, the temperature increase upon doubling carbon dioxide concentration in the atmosphere over pre-industrial levels is larger then for the models that are not consistent with the observations.
In fact, this is an iris mechanism hypothesized by Lindzen, but the effect is the opposite of what was proposed, instead of being a negative feedback that cools the Earth, it is a positive feedback that accelerates the warming.
The model variance with the relative humidity cycle also explains the variability of the various model sensitivities.
Given a cloud diagnostic, relative humidity, that can be observed and used to test the models will lead to improvements in the models, and improved predictability of the models. Detailed cloud observations are decades away, as are detailed simulations of clouds, Fasullo and Trenberth provide a way of getting at this important issue through an understanding of cloud formation conditions which can be studied now.
They are cautious in their conclusion... "Major questions persist. These include the relative contributions of various cloud types to the overall cloud feedback (19) and the sources of biases in the vertical RH and cloud distributions, and these are the focus of ongoing research. In a broader context, improved representation of regions of strong subsidence, particularly at low latitudes, is of fundamental importance. Such an improvement is essential not only for correctly simulating climate sensitivity, but also for characterizing changes in climate extremes and related impacts. Their scrutiny is therefore likely to be beneficial in understanding the broad range of uncertainties that currently exist in our future climate."
the paper is at this URL but requires a subscription to read it.. if you're at a university it is likely that you are covered by an institutional subscription. I'm a member of the AAAS for which the subscription is included in the membership fee.
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/338/6108/792.full.pdf[/quote]
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 19, 2012 - 01:25am PT
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...the radical geoengineering industry that has overwhelmed the entire agriculture, meat and poultry industry
This is one of the most moronic statements I've ever read and something I would expect from NWO, but not you chief. Do you know the first damn thing about agriculture or agricultural history? It's such a lunatic non-starter as to be the very definition of 'fringe' right up there with sasquatch, nessie, and ufo's.
Truly a disappointing turn in the thread.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 19, 2012 - 01:49am PT
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And what f*#kall does atmospheric research have to do with the quoted statement on agriculture?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 19, 2012 - 02:20am PT
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Look, atmospheric and other research - including topics one could consider 'geoengineering' - which explore possible human responses to both man-made and natural climate effects and their limitations is just that, research. No one is funding or likely to fund anything but research. Why? Well, because any form of deliberate 'geoengineering' which stood even a vague chance of being effective to stated goals would be so nightmarishly expensive as to never be funded by corporations or governments unless they were passing budgets and bills while neck deep in seawater.
The purpose of this paper is not to advocate definite solutions. It is only to augment the scientific effort to find solutions of general acceptability and benefit.
And nothing about the above has f*#kall to do with:
...the radical geoengineering industry that has overwhelmed the entire agriculture, meat and poultry industry
And in fact, there is no such thing as a "radical geoengineering industry" outside of the minds of conspiracy theorists and certainly none which "has overwhelmed the entire agriculture, meat and poultry industry". Again, you clearly don't know sh#t about american agriculture or you'd be pissing on yourself laughing at the above statement.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 19, 2012 - 07:50am PT
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The fluoride in PDX should have happened decades ago.
NWO, I'm a software engineer with experience in RFIDs and near-field communications (NFC) systems and am currently working on a project which includes includes NFC payment systems. No one is going to be implanted with RFIDs (though it would be a great way to stop illegal employment and those unwashed hordes of undocumented workers colonizing the US you worry so much about).
Evergreen has sixteen or so 747's a handful of which are fire retardant tankers. Dropping retardants ain't spraying and they have nothing whatsoever to do with non-existent chemtrails - and, hey, call me when they have a fleet of five thousand of them and I'll start being concerned.
And that's a Lockheed P-971 which was the losing bid in the Army's LEMV program. It lost out to a Northrup / UK design and is being retasked to try and compete in civilian heavy lift markets. They represent nothing except dreams of making airships economically viable again - it's still a long shot, particularly for military applications in conflict zones.
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raymond phule
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Nov 19, 2012 - 09:42am PT
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Lol, cant the skeptics send someone at least a little more convincing than the chief?
A pic of an airplane during a study of vortexes as evidence for geoengineering? Lol
Another pic of an airplane during a stability test.
The Chief has absolutely no knowledge about science or engineering but seems to be good at finding conspiracy theory webpages.
I am still a little surprised that someone can discredit all peer-reviewed science that he do not agree with but at the same time believe every source that show something that he agree with.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Nov 19, 2012 - 10:56am PT
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LOL
Send your 'conspiracy theory' kernels to The Chief brand popcorn machine and it will fully inflate them with hot air!
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