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Jennie
Trad climber
Idaho Falls
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Jul 15, 2009 - 01:44am PT
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”Now, now - no need to jump the conclusion that I was suggesting that anyone other than Socrates was (or was not) a historic figure…..In a sense, it's all circumstantial evidence - but there's a whole pile of it for Socrates and Aristophanes.”
I wasn’t jumping to that conclusion, Anders.
We don’t really have that much evidence about the man, Aristophanes, beyond his plays. Consider those who attempt to “debunk” Shakespeare and claim “he” was actually a fictitious personage used by several English writers. Or the theory that Shakespeare’s plays were written by Francis Bacon.
Establishing doubt as to the authorship of writings, works the same for the “Baconians” and those who might doubt Aristophanes existence as it does for those who claim the apostles Peter and John (contemporaries of Christ) didn’t write the testaments and history attributed to them. Stripped of rationalizations, this doubt is derived from personal opinions and agendas more than concrete evidence.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Jul 15, 2009 - 02:28am PT
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Gosh, dirtbag, you bring up alot of great stuff to discuss. I sure wish we had a real campfire and could sit around and do justice to these topics.
It's late and I am pretty much out, but this one thing comes to my mind. There are witnesses and then there are credible witnesses. If one actually cares....I mean Really cares to take the Bible, study it, dissect it and truly weigh what it says and then take the Grand Experiment and Apply it to your life.....well the results might astound you....or me. :D Peace, lynnie
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Jul 15, 2009 - 02:43am PT
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"what sort of time scale are we talkin' here ?"
Uh, Dude are you talkin' brain function here? I'd say short, very very short....bwahahaha :D
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jul 15, 2009 - 02:45am PT
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I was afraid of that....
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reddirt
climber
Elevation 285 ft
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Jul 15, 2009 - 07:15am PT
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[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ1LC7AotNE"]
Jesus was a good guy he didn't need this shi+
So he took a pill with a bag of peanuts and
A Coca-Cola and he swallowed it.
He discovered the Beatles
And he recorded with the Stones
Once He even opened up a three-way package
In Southern California for old George Jones[/url]
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsOW7HYc-mc"]
Everybody's got to have somebody to look down on.
Who they can feel better than at anytime they please.
Someone doin' somethin' dirty, decent folks can frown on.
If you can't find nobody else, then help yourself to me.[/url]
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dfrost7
Social climber
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Jul 15, 2009 - 10:16am PT
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Hey, mornin Howardd.
The comment you mention, I'm closely paraphrasing Jesus. The answer is yes, and no. Yes, you can live an honorable life, a good, ethical and productive life, yes. I mentioned, earlier, it's not about religion, Jesus is about having a relationship with the living God - it's about redemption.
This isn't somethingyou get on your own. - that you can get on
your own. The whole point of the question you put forth is, to be a good person, yet, not need to really engage in a relationship with God. That is exactly why God give us a free will, to choose whether we even want to know Him.
I heard it said recently, "Jesus didn't come to make bad men good (or women), he came to make dead men live". The result of loving God is why we do good (as those who do believe). It is in thanks for His gift.
When you receive his gift, you cease trying to get
God's approval by good deeds and works. You begin to do good because you know His love, you know Him personally and want to show Him thanks.
That's one of the big differences. Again, it's not a religion, it's a relationship with a very loving, personal God. Loving others is the evidence you know Him, not the effort to achieve a long enough list of things that will outbalance the bad things in our lives. "... she loves much, because she's been forgiven much" (Jesus). It really does feel like that.
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
way, WAY out there....(OMG)
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Jul 15, 2009 - 10:21am PT
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Doubletalk.
Why do I need redemption? Not my fault I was born.
Religious talk goes in the "useless" bucket, with the Politicos.
Have a nice day.I'm through with this.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Jul 15, 2009 - 01:19pm PT
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Sitting here thinking.....and laughing. :D If God really is, it's kinda funny how we talk about him like he's not in the room.
In my logical illogic I speculate that if God does exist I would pro want to make sure he either does or doesn't before I decide on my life philosphy. Happy Wednesday....lynnie,
Edit: Well not really, still sad about all the recent deaths.
Jesus isn't my crutch in life....he's my chauffer driven limo. Why go it alone when you have such a great resource ?
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franky
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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Jul 15, 2009 - 01:35pm PT
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in 1000 years the religious morons will be scientologists who can't believe that stupid ancient people used to be christians, what a horrible, nonsensical religion that was!
I wonder how much L Ron Hubbard type sh#t Jesus pulled? He was probably sitting around with his cronies thinking of ways to make a buck, I mean, who the hell wants to be a carpenter anyway? Even back in the day that was probably a rough job.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Jul 15, 2009 - 02:08pm PT
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In the Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends universe, imaginary friends become physical beings the instant a child imagines them... an Imaginary Friend takes physical and emotional form after a child creates specific details about that character. Unfortunately for them, the children eventually outgrow them around ages 7-8. When this happens, the friends are left to fend for themselves. Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends was founded by the elderly Madame Foster to provide a foster home for abandoned imaginary friends.... The house motto is "Where good ideas are not forgotten."
Mr. Jesus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrTWJo7a9l0
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Homer
Mountain climber
Santa Cruz, CA
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Jul 15, 2009 - 04:27pm PT
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We feel like we need to understand, but we can't, and it's hard to accept. People deal with it differently. It's how God made us, or it's how we made ourselves. We do better working together than individually, so let's talk about it. It fills a need that God gave me, or I gave myself. Deeply satisfying ..
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ddriver
Trad climber
SLC, UT
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Jul 15, 2009 - 05:51pm PT
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jESUS loVes mE buT hE caNt sTand U:
I know you smoke, I know you drink that brew,
I just can't abide a sinner like you.
God can't either, that's why I know it's true,
That Jesus loves me but he can't stand you.
I'm going straight to heaven, boys, when I die,
'cause I've crossed every T and I've dotted every I
Why, my preacher tells me I'm god's kind of guy,
That's why Jesus loves me, but you're gonna fry.
God loves all his children, by gum,
That doesn't mean he won't incinerate some,
Can't you feel those hot flames licking you?
I'm raising my kids in a righteous way,
So don't be sending your kids to my house to play,
Yours will grow up stoned, left leaning and gay,
I know - Jesus told me on the phone today.
Jesus loves me, this I know
And he told me where you're gonna go,
There's room for your kind down below
Whoa, whoa, whoa
Jesus loves me, he loves me real good. I know he does. He called me up on the phone today and told me how much he loves me. He said, "Son, I love you." He speaks English pretty well, considering it's a second language for him. You can talk to him, too, you know. I've got a 900- number in Tulsa you can call him at, I do it all the time. He'll be glad to hear from you. I talk to him everyday.
Jesus love me, but he can't stand you.
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dave goodwin
climber
carson city, nv
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Jul 15, 2009 - 06:26pm PT
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Religion is all about business. Take away a churches tax exemption, they'll loose faith!
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jul 15, 2009 - 06:29pm PT
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Tell him to take a number. I'm busy drinking beer.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 15, 2009 - 06:29pm PT
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I wish we would have had this discussion on a different thread. We've been trolled big time by the OP.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jul 15, 2009 - 06:56pm PT
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Oh, ye of little faith. One day, one day . . .
Better to make up your mind on this side of eternity, really. On 7/20 I will post more evidence that critical minds can perhaps believe and get. There is real solid evidence that cannot be explained away, all ye doubting Thomases.
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cintune
climber
the Moon and Antarctica
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Jul 15, 2009 - 07:35pm PT
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Um, I'm going to actually be away from the internet that day. Can you push it forward a little? Or back, till after Aug. 1 or so? That might be better, and easier too, from a millennial perspective. If you know what I mean.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Jul 15, 2009 - 07:42pm PT
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He-he.
Nope, 7/20/09 is a very special day. It is the 40th Anniversary of Man on the Moon. That is the day. Sorry. Can't be changed, or the significance will be lost. ;-))
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Jul 15, 2009 - 08:34pm PT
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Why make your mind up on this side of eternity. Makes a lot more sense to wait until your dead, because then you'll know one way or the other for sure! Why do you have to make up your mind without the facts? Sounds like a very stupid test when you put it that way.
I like what the gnostic Thomas said, "The kingdom of God will not come by expectation....the kingdom is set upon the earth but men do not see it."
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