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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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And the family of a 17-year-old boy sued and settled with the nearby City of Mission Viejo after he suffered brain damage in a 2004 skateboarding accident on flatter ground.
Wow. On what legal grounds can someone sue a municipality for a skateboarding accident? I'm guessing it has something to do with un maintained public facilities. If so, I'm going to Mission Viejo and fall over the first curb I can find.
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213
climber
Where the Froude number often >> 1
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Boards with wheels and the Sierra...a perfect match!
In 2 years, the man above will be opening a dental practice...
Stalefish 120 slider...can't wait for this run again
Slide with your friends!
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salad
climber
Escondido
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 5, 2011 - 12:32pm PT
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i just got an ed economy 55 inch deck. monster. i got it slightly used, complete with near new gravity 82a's for 50 bucks total. carved down my street with the kids this weekend, super fun.
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o-man
Trad climber
Paia,Maui,HI
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I've been checking in on this real cool thread for a while now.
I found this clip of me skating in front of my house a while back.
http://vimeo.com/14459719
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The Wedge
Boulder climber
Santa Rosa & Bishop, CA
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Apr 19, 2011 - 04:51am PT
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Picked up a new deck. Got a LY switchblade. Double drop. Drop through and drop deck. Simuliar to the Rayne Nemisis. Love the thing as a free-ride deck. Hit 40 a week ago on Lower Rock creek Road, and the thing started to shimmy. I will try farting around with some different bushing and see if I cant take the wobbles out of the ride.
Thought I would post my latest and greatest wipeout. Chris Summit was driving and did the video. He is also the one who gave me the "emergency beer" after my crash. Thanks Chris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPd3CoOKWYY
Hear I am eating some concrete. I attept to take the right hand corner without checking...bad mistake. I speed check on my first run, before the corner and did great. The second run I thought I could take the last corner without checking...WRONG. With road rash I take a 3rd lap just get back on the horse again.
Funny thing is that my full face helmet was being painted, so I baught a new helmet. Too bad I did not buy another full face. I would have walked away without any scratches.
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The Wedge
Boulder climber
Santa Rosa & Bishop, CA
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Apr 19, 2011 - 05:00am PT
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ohhh ya, I hit up J tree for a little climbing with some DRL's 2 weeks ago. I was eager to hit up Keys View. I gotta thank Jefe for the lift up the road, but the run down sucked. I beleive 2 years ago when I first did it, it was fresh pavement. Now the pavement suck. Mid way down I pulled over and jumped back into the car. I was all ready this time too. I had my leathers with me and stoked to go kill it down the road, what a bummer.
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Leggs
Sport climber
El Presidio, Tucson
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Apr 19, 2011 - 11:15am PT
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^^^ Do you still want the footage I took? The stuff when you're right next to the car is pretty cool... my mommy heart was nervous for you...
Somewhere on one of the clips, you hear me say, "Wow, he must have really strong thighs."
Ha!
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The Wedge
Boulder climber
Santa Rosa & Bishop, CA
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Apr 20, 2011 - 08:18pm PT
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Sure you can FB post it or send it via Email. Thanks Leggs.
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Josh Ulloa
Trad climber
Turlock, CA
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Apr 21, 2011 - 12:50am PT
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Since the topic of longboards came up, thought I would share my latest project. Probably more for casual around town riding than bombing down the local hill.
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The Wedge
Boulder climber
Santa Rosa & Bishop, CA
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Apr 21, 2011 - 01:59am PT
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Nice deck josh, are you running Bennet trucks on that board?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Apr 21, 2011 - 03:08am PT
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My dad and I were in the skateboard business in the 70s.
At first I made the boards for myself and my friends.
I called my skateboard design "Pipeline."
My dad saw the $$$/business opportunity to side-line along with his Union Sheet-metal shop that was located not far from “Les Girls” in San Diego, on Hancock Street. Mid 1970s, Pipeline Skateboard Co., was born.
Sometimes I drive by the once grand Union sheet-metal shop. It’s no longer a sheet-metal shop. The industrial building is still very much there however. It is now used to overhaul large semi-trucks. I spent a lot of time (years) in that massive building in my youth making stuff out of metal on the side, and working for my dad and other Union sheet-metal Journeymen.
I used a particular high-quality Alcoa memory alloy aircraft aluminum for the board. The trucks were commercially purchased, Cadillac at first and then we used X-Caliber. We designed and made the urethane wheels also, called "Pipeline Pacers." Eventually we used precision-bearing wheels like everyone else was doing. They were pretty high quality boards for the day.
Back then I skated like a Fein.
We made 3 models: The Downhill, The Slalom, and The Hotdog.
I Googled and found someone who posted up an image of one of our boards, but then they didn't have a lot of kind things to say about the board. They auctioned it off on Ebay. They’re clue-less and don’t know the product or the history. The paint on the boards was very high-quality and bright resin based PPG paint. It was very durable and fairly scratch resistant.
At one time nearly everyone in the family was involved in putting skateboards together until we grew the company and hired employees for a true assembly line. Lots of fond memories.
http://skateandannoy.com/features/ebay/2010/ebay091/images-big/pipeline81.png
http://skateandannoy.com/features/ebay/2010/ebay091/
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The Wedge
Boulder climber
Santa Rosa & Bishop, CA
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Apr 21, 2011 - 01:57pm PT
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Klimmer,
That's pretty damn cool. Full aluminium deck, perfect to slice the ankle. I sure it was light. Did the pipeline (green deck) have much flex? Those wheels are phat, even for todays standards. What was the contact patch(70mm?) for those fat wheels. My dad was a Middle School wood shop teacher. I use to build my own decks back in the day(1980's) . All the kids wanted little finger decks to play around with in class. Never really went any further than that. Thanks for the History, Great stuff!
Caliber is still around making some great trucks.
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dave goodwin
climber
carson city, nv
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Apr 21, 2011 - 02:25pm PT
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Wedge-
Back in November you posted a picture and said that you flipped your Randall's.
I was wondering what the advantage was? I ride a pair of 180/s mostly at the local park on 33" Santa Cruz Landshark. and those trucks rip. i already replaced the bushings with some Bones hardcore softs and it rides much better.
any feedback would be appreciated. not looking to bomb hills just carve smaller ones and carve the bowls at the local park.
thanks
dave
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Josh Ulloa
Trad climber
Turlock, CA
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Apr 21, 2011 - 04:01pm PT
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Wedge,
The wheels and trucks you see on the board were $30 "wheel and truck" package from ebay :) They were just for testing and drilling the hole patterns. The board just sold and I'm outfitting it with Paris 180's. This is a new arena I'm entering, so any feedback you or anyone else wants to offer would be great.
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The Wedge
Boulder climber
Santa Rosa & Bishop, CA
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Apr 21, 2011 - 04:14pm PT
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Dave,
When you flip your randells you are switching from a 42 degree to a 50 degree. When you do this you lessen the turning radius but you also lower the center of gravity of the deck.
When flipped, you get a less turny board, you also drop the ride height of your deck making your leg straighter and are therefore less likely to tire out. Lower board means more stabilty in corner and lower center of gravity.
When i flip the hangers on the trucks i noticed only a slight difference in the turning radius, its really hard to tell. Also you may get more wheel bite with the hangers flipped. Last, watch out for BOT stops, especailly those blue reflective ones. They seem to be just high enough that it can catch on your randells, and throw you too the pavement.
I have yet to read the article but there was a scientific study done of why speed wobble happen. It seems that skateboarding is very simular to grocery carts (hahahaha) and why sometime grocery carts have wobbly wheels. In short, you can eliminate speed wobble by running one truck 42 degrees and the back 50 degrees or visa versa...I can remember. Now you have a uni-directional board. No riding switch. Some of the newer and downhill oriented decks have a "wedge" front, and "de-wedge" back. This is the same idea wiithout having to run your trucks in the methode mentioned above. If you dont have randell's you can buy small angled risers that fit between the truck and the board and do the same thing. I know Landyachyz is making their Bear trucks similar to randells and can now be flipped.
Hope this helps, I will try to find the article and post it.
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dave goodwin
climber
carson city, nv
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Apr 21, 2011 - 04:29pm PT
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Thanks
Interesting stuff. I stopped skateboarding over 20 years ago and just got back into it the last two years.
There is a good park 2 minutes from my house and I go when the kids are at school and just carve til my legs fall off. Found this great training for aid climbing- good cardio, builds strong legs for hauling and high stepping, balance, and you don't want to fall!!!
Switched from my Indy's to the Randalls just recently and can't believe how much they rip.
Curiosity, have you ridden any other trucks like- gullwing sidewinders, carvers, or seismic??
thanks again
dave
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The Wedge
Boulder climber
Santa Rosa & Bishop, CA
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Apr 21, 2011 - 04:48pm PT
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Josh,
The two biggest charastics in a deck that can be easly changed are your bushings and wheels.
First buy a bag of bushing maybe $30, all types (stimulator/downhill/cones/ barrels etc) and colors(duro's...how hard or soft the rubber is). I and many other skaters like the Venom bushing. Then mess around switching out bushing to find the setup you like. Possibly a cone near the deck and a barrel closer to the ground. Or a cone/cone pattern. You are just going to need to fart around and find what you like.
Wheels, The bigger the wheels the longer it take to get up to speed. But also has a higher top end speed and rolls further. Smaller wheels get up to speed quick, but do not hold there speed very long. Harder duro( the higher number) will be better for sliding and riding on smooth surfaces. A duro of 80 -81 is about the middle of road. Last is how the wheel is made, some have rounded corners and are going to be better for slidding and drifting, these with no "lip" are nice because they are less likely to get hung up and produce less chatter. Other wheels that are offset that have a "lip" (the orangatang In Heats are a great example) are going to compress and rebound as you pump and carve, makeing pumping and carving easier and more enjoyable. Some wheels are a mixture of the two. For wheels check out Abec 11 and Orangatang wheels.
Before buying wheels, put them on you deck at the the shop and make sure you do not get wheel bit. Because of the size and how they are set, either centerset or offset (think of them like cams). They may or maynot work very well with you deck. I own 2 decks, one pair of randell trucks, a shiz ton of bushing, and 8 sets of wheels.
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The Wedge
Boulder climber
Santa Rosa & Bishop, CA
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Apr 21, 2011 - 05:07pm PT
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Dave wrote : Curiosity, have you ridden any other trucks like- gullwing sidewinders, carvers, or seismic??
Dave I use to street skate back in the late 80's and rode gullwing and tracker trucks with bullet wheels. With longboarding I have riden the 10mm Bears (very simular to the randells) but a little better on the downhill, but hated finding bearing and spacers for 10 mm truck. The Randells 180 for $50 bucks work great......and they are 50 bucks. The Caliber seem to ride simular to the Randell too. The Precission trucks for $280 seems super rad and can be changed to 205mm and have ZERO slop. but 280 bones....that is 5 pair of Randells. Its Skateboarding not rock science....In the end I find it hard to beat the randell for the price/performace.
I have check out the new gullwings with the double bushing thing......seeems super turny, and is a great idea. But have not spent considerable time on them. I also have never been on the seismic.
OHHH YA Randells Made in the USA. Lifetime Gaurentee!
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dave goodwin
climber
carson city, nv
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Apr 21, 2011 - 07:54pm PT
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thanks again your input is greatly appreciated.
I mainly bought my Randall's for carving on low hills and the park.
Do you like Randall R-11 for downhill speed runs or do you prefer another truck?
I have 50 degree baseplates and I am assuming that most people prefer the 42 degree for speed??
It seems like a carving style truck like the R-11 would get lots of wobble, but maybe not if you flip one of the hangers like you previously said.
I am getting a set up for downhill runs and not yet sure what truck type to run!!
thanks
dave
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Josh Ulloa
Trad climber
Turlock, CA
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Apr 22, 2011 - 01:13am PT
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Great info, thanks for sharing. I uh, kind of learned about "wheel bite" the hard way. Good news I wasn't going very fast. Bad news, our street has a fairly new seal coat on it...extra gritty. The board now has nice deep wheel wells.
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