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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Wow. Did Prod really say "Mellow Dramatic?"
Now there's a good name for a route somewhere...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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I'm surprised after this many posts on the topic the thing sprouts bolts and no one knows who did the deed? Pretty remarkable - now we have mystery bolters and shitters. Seems like both took about the same amount of courage.
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kaitb
Big Wall climber
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I'm certain there were no bolts added, just replaced. I remember Pete replacing these a few years ago and thinking it was strange then. I think Mark and Rich were there, maybe they can chime in. Ammon
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Meaty
climber
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Healyje,
No mystery whatsoever who sh#t on their ropes, one of them posts here regularly. But Randy Wenzel sure thought he'd be special and claim I did because Mark and Richard spewed that lie, along with a few other delusional chumps, for years. Repeating a lie enough so after a while it becomes fact in the feeble tiny brains of lemmings like Nefarius, what a crock of sh#t but no surprise considering the deep ignorance involved.
No mystery at all.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Oops Ksolem,
I guess it is 1 word... melodramatic. But still The Chief is enough to make me want to puke.
I agree that my version would make a good route name. Get on it.
Prod.
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Meaty
climber
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Chief,
not even a good effort of not answering my question, your gibberish is rubbish.
I'm not justifying bringing any route down to any particular level, I'm just explaining to your ignorant ass what has and will continue to go on. You've got absolutely no control, nor does anyone else, of someone places or chops bolts. I don't really care if WOS sees more bolts, YAWN! Are there any routes on El Cap that haven't seen bolts from repeating parties, can you name one? Probably not. eh?
Again, why is it a travesty for bolts added to WOS but not so for just about every other climb on El Cap or any other cliff in the world.
Very, very simple question.
What you call a justification I call reality. You still cannot answer a simple question. So in your twisted logic other climbs that have bolts added are just simply irrelevant? Just not part of the discussion?
Selective outrage is weak!
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Meaty
climber
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Chief
Nope. Spewing gibberish is not only weak but pathetic.
Why are all the bolts added to virtually every big wall climb not a travesty but the bolts added to WOS a huge travesty?
I know what soul is, but you still can't answer a simple question.
So what you're saying is if one is as ignorant as you and claims loads of soul, you can spray bolts on any climb, just not WOS?
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Fer f*#ks sake Chief, take the dogs for a walk.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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It matters because the route is so contentious which means the SA should be done as the route stood in order to know what the real deal with the FA was. So far it's only seen SA bolters and bailers.
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Prod
Trad climber
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Yo Healyje,
I agree that WOS was before it's time, and I look forward to a real SA. So far from what I've read, we are not sure that the route has been bolted. What we do know is that there are bolts in the general area.
Isn't Grossman heading up there some time soon?
Just out of curiosity, who is Meaty?
Chief,
Grow up, what you lack in rationality you more than make up for in tenaciousness. Is that a good thing?
Prod.
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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I hope that whoever added the bolts, had the courtesy to ask Richard and Mark for permission to do so.
Did this happen on the FFA of the Dihedral? Or Arcturus? Or whatever?
The times have changed and so have the ethics. The only constant is the wall, which will be here long after the debate has died.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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"Mellow Dramatic?" Now there's a good name for a route somewhere...
It's mine I dibs it. Wuz up there today. Perfect! Thanks
Oops Ksolem,
I guess it is 1 word... melodramatic. But still The Chief is enough to make me want to puke.
Kris has first call if he wants it, otherwise it's mine. The Taco comes through again! Woot!
Thanks Prod............"Mellow Dramatic"...wow! I was on that route today, it's prefect. Will send and name. Good stuff.
The funniest thing said in a long time was just said by Kate just upthread...ROTFLMAO! Am I the only one reading this stuff? Thanks Kate!!!! LOL! Pete's hanging out in the tubs, filter yer water ....twice..Guffuawwwww!!!
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Hello McFly. Did you guys miss the post where she says that she is certain no bolts were added, just replaced?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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It's all yours Couch, but...
Yer gonna die!!
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Peter Haan
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Sorry I am behind on introductions; I’ll try harder.
Pilgrims, I bring you The Chief:
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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The self-appointed jury, having heard little of the evidence, nor testimony from the defendants, has reached a verdict.
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rurprider
Trad climber
Mt. Rubidoux
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Werner & Ammon - What standard of Truth?? Seems you've just perpetuated the same rumors that were spead at the "time of the project" and more. Fact is Mark & Richard are 7th Day Adventists (Not The Same thing!!). All the sh#t bags at the base were from jerks throwing sh#t bags from the Aquarian Wall and adjacent walls. Mark & Richard had to establish an alternate start as some "Valley Locals" jugged their ropes, cut the ropes down and then sh#t on them (the ropes). Is that what you're calling "independent free will?" Sounds more like harassment. How about you two jump on the route and give us a TR at ST!!
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Mimi
climber
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Meaty, proud of you for speaking out. Kids today just don't know.
The Chief, WTF?! Do you think this is a free climb or something? Total awe? Hilarious. Did you start duct-taping hooks during this episode? Like Pete.
You're no different than Bwana and Skid. The fact that you took three days on that length of climbing makes you a bafoon. I mean really. That get up Peter posted is evidence enough.
I hope Ammon does well and finally puts this nonsense to rest. The damned route has been done for all practical purposes by several parties. I want to see it mostly freed by some awesome slab climber. It's all about the haters vs. the lovers on this one.
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mojede
Trad climber
Butte, America
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...or the shiters vs. the shitees
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mimi, will you be belaying Steve?
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