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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Aug 31, 2008 - 04:04pm PT
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One thing I find amusing is the concern many liberals have vis a vis Palin's anti-abortion and pro-creationist beliefs when it comes to SCOTUS. No Dem Congress would allow such a nominee to be placed on SCOTUS. And, I would agree. Surprise, surprise. I've no doubt that the dogmatic mindset of many would require that I be considered a conservative. I'm a moderate with positions on both sides just like most American voters. It's the dogmatists on the two wings that are out of step and require a religious devotion to a political "theology" that do the most damage to the political process. Fortunately, even combined, they form a minority of voters.
Ah, come on Terry, it was fun and I don't climb until tomorrow so I've nothing else to amuse myself at the moment.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 31, 2008 - 04:30pm PT
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"It does not meant that this particular qualification should be the only one taken into consideration"
So time is not the only qualification and therefore someone with more time on a job is not necessarily more qualified, ie someone could have less time on job but more training, better skills, including social skills and would thus be " more qualified".
You appear to be stuck on the notion that time is the only think that counts when using the term qualifications, yet you went on to say the above statement.
You appear to be stuck. No big deal. I get stuck at times also. but I suggest you take another look at this.
McCain is not more qualified simply because he has more time in service. Some unions might work this way as they try to turn people into robots, but most folks realize that we are not robots and that time in service is Not the only qualification.
Time in service is a qualification . ( easy to verify )
Education is usually a qualification. ( fairly easy to quantify )
Intelligence can be a qualification. ( hard to quantify )
Wisdom can be a qualification. ( much harder to quantify )
People skills can be a qualification.
And so on a so forth. There are many many more.
Therefore time in service is not the only qualification and therefore you can not say that more time in service = more qualified. Unless time is your only qualification.
I have worked in both union and non union situations and I never hire based simply on how long a person has done a particular job. In some unions I had no hiring powers so I took who they sent me and that sucked. Thankfully I could fire people as I have had to.
You can say a person has more time on a job, but that doesn't make them more qualified.
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The reason I keep hammering on this is because you keep saying that McCain is more qualified then Obama. I disagree with you so I put forth my understanding of qualification.
If your definition of qualification only includes time, then you are correct that McCain could be considered to be more qualified.
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coward
Trad climber
Boulder, Wyoming
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Aug 31, 2008 - 04:44pm PT
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Woody, again you show a pathetic ignorance on the subject of the Supreme Court.
Senate rejections of the President's nominee are relatively rare. Historically, roughly 20% of nominees either turned the offer down, were turned down by the Senate, or had their nominations withdrawn by the President.
The Senate can confirm the nomination by a simple majority vote.
Incompetance aside, as in the case with Harriet Miers (had never worked as a judge, was a personal friend of Dubya, and didn't know her ass from a hole in the ground) the President's pick stands a great chance of being confirmed.
Is is just SO AMUSING that we "liberals" are freaked out about who a crazy Sell Out like McCain would put in place to interpret the Constitution.
You Palin lovers probably liked Miers too, I take it...
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 31, 2008 - 04:46pm PT
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One word: Bork.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 31, 2008 - 04:49pm PT
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"For the past 24 hours, the pages and web sites of the two leading papers up there have raised all sorts of issues surrounding Palin, from her ethics problems to general lack of readiness for this big step up. Right now the top story on the Anchorage Daily News web site looks at new info in what it calls "troopergate" and opens: "Alaska's former commissioner of public safety says Gov. Sarah Palin, John McCain's pick to be vice president, personally talked him on two occasions about a state trooper who was locked in a bitter custody battle with the governor's sister.
"In a phone conversation Friday night, Walt Monegan, who was Alaska's top cop until Palin fired him July 11, told the Daily News that the governor also had e-mailed him two or three times about her ex-brother-in-law, Trooper Mike Wooten, though the e-mails didn't mention Wooten by name. Monegan claims his refusal to fire Wooten was a major reason that Palin dismissed him. Wooten had been suspended for five days previously, based largely on complaints that Palin's family had initiated before Palin was governor."
A reporter for the Anchorage daily, Gregg Erickson, even did an online chat with the Washington Post, in which he revealed that Palin's approval rating in the state was not the much-touted 80%, but 65% and sinking -- and that among journalists who followed her it might be in the "teens." He added: "I have a hard time seeing how her qualifications stack up against the duties and responsibilities of being president.... I expect her to stick with simple truths. When asked about continued American troop presence in Iraq, she said she knows only one thing about that (I paraphrase): no one has attacked the American homeland since George Bush took the war to Iraq."
His paper found a number of leading Republican officeholders in the state who mocked Palin's qualifications. "She's not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president?" said Lyda Green, the president of the State Senate, a Republican from Palin's hometown of Wasilla. "Look at what she's done to this state. What would she do to the nation?"
Another top Republican, John Harris, the speaker of the House, when asked about her qualifications for Veep, replied with this: "She's old enough. She's a U.S. citizen."
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coward
Trad climber
Boulder, Wyoming
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Aug 31, 2008 - 05:05pm PT
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Woody, in light of your unenlightened views on the workings of the U.S. government, I've concluded that you're a poor excuse for a U.S. citizen.
Read up. Vary your sources a little more than you do. Especially, read PRIMARY SOURCES so that every word you read isn't the drivel written by conservative columnists on sites like townhall.com. READ THE CONSTITUTION!
You call yourself a "moderate" but you more than likely don't know what that word means. You argue semantics to cover up for your deficient understanding of this country, and you haven't been able to construct a meaningful argument anywhere on this thread.
It is one of my greatest fears that someone as woefully uninformed as yourself could very well be placed in high office in either the executive branch or even the judicial branch.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 31, 2008 - 05:57pm PT
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I wonder if/when the Republican brains 'trust' will start to market Palin as a populist Republican reformer, a la Teddy Roosevelt.
Until they remember that many of their base despise both Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt, and all they stood for, and would like nothing better than to destroy it.
And until they remember what happened to William McKinley, even if he did get a mountain/park re-named for him. In Alaska.
And until they remember that Roosevelt was governor of New York, not Alaska.
And until they remember that the unstable coalition that is the Republican Party fears dissent if not reform above anything, and ruthlessly squelches mavericks.
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Aug 31, 2008 - 06:13pm PT
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She is about as much of a reformer as the republicans portray Bush as a uniter. It's laughable at best.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 31, 2008 - 06:16pm PT
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Skip, your polling analysis is wrong. In this country we elect Presidents by the Electoral votes, not the popular., but you already knew that I presume.
As of the latest state polls, Obama is whipping McSame.
you really can verify this at a number of electoral vote sites,
but here is one to get you started:
http://www.pollster.com/
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the Fet
Knackered climber
A bivy sack in the secret campground
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Aug 31, 2008 - 06:24pm PT
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As a radical centrist I am continually blown away by the selfishness and self delusion of the people who continue to support a conservative republican agneda. I voted for the Governator in the last election, I will cross party lines to choose the better of the two, lying, manipulative, political candidates that are running, or usually I vote 3rd party when I know the contest is not close.
The country needs a change of direction. Spending is out of control. The deficit is huge. Our honor and reputation is severly damaged. But as demonstrated here there are plenty of people crying 'liberal' and 'commie' who will believe what ever the republicans and right-wing media tells them so they can feel justified in pursuing a path of selfishness.
The more I learn about Palin the more I realize see is just another self deluded, selfish republican. If you can't see the terrible results of the last 8 years and can't swallow your pride enought to admit you were/are wrong and see we need to move in the other direction you are a fool.
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 31, 2008 - 06:37pm PT
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"The country needs a change of direction."
Yes, definitely. That stiff as a board McCain and his uncomfortable aura which he presents when he's in public tells you everything you need to know.
He doesn't know what he's doing. He's insecure and uncomfortable, not something you want to see in a leader.
Heck, Sara looks far more at ease and commanding then McCain.
But, ultimately a politician can never be trusted.
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Aug 31, 2008 - 06:38pm PT
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I realized something... that LEB is so stoked on suzie-what's-her-name is a good thing. Loisification has yet to show itself as being in touch with reality.... one step away from delusional, really... so that she things this is a brilliant move really suggests the opposite. If nothing else the fact she's so convinced after a few short hours of how "great" the selection is really shows how short-sighted she is. The fact is it's a long haul and to conclude anything after just a couple hours is nothing short of ignorant.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Aug 31, 2008 - 07:03pm PT
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At the moment, it comes down to this: Palin was a popular "pick, selection, roll of the dice, choice, yay, nomination, gamble, option, prefered, alternative, accurate shot etc." with the voters across the country.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Another poll to add to the confusion.
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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Aug 31, 2008 - 07:14pm PT
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>>At the moment, it comes down to this
I actually think that at the moment, it comes down to this....no Vice Presidential pick has ever made much of a difference in any election.
Bentsen slaughtered and embarrased Quayle in debates, no real difference. Mondale picked a woman, no real difference. Gore and Clinton were both young, centrist and from the same part of the country, no real difference. Political scientists have looked at the election results for decades, and they all have agreed that the veep choice just does not matter.
Lots to discuss when it comes to Governor Palin, and lots of weird reasoning for Lois to invent, lots of accusations of Obama supporters "panicking", lots of skipt ducking issues and throwing around well worded attacks as though he was a candidate, instead of a citizen. But at the end of the day, the choice of Palin will make the same amount of difference as the choice of Biden - none.
On second thought edit - what am I saying, 512 posts on the SuperTaco must mean something....
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 31, 2008 - 07:25pm PT
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Skip, I did say there were numerous electoral sites.
Here is another one: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
My point is only to refute your prior statement that Obama is losing to McCain, or even that the race is close based on your assertion that the popular vote was close.
The quality of your responses are puzzling. You seemed to be more reasoned a few days ago, now you jump to irrational conclusions to justify your hope and personal desire that things are going supposedly really well for your candidate.
You know they are not, and the polling is reflecting it.
When you deny fact and what is obvious, you lose a great deal of credibility, and also weaken any position you may take.
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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Aug 31, 2008 - 09:55pm PT
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>>I've been asked several times to run for congress. No thanks, make too much money
The McCain Campaign - "Country First"
FatTrad - "Hey, John, you forgot about wealth..."
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Binks
Social climber
i am of the universe and you know what it's worth.
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Aug 31, 2008 - 10:08pm PT
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Hard to imagine McCain picking a weirder or weaker choice. Talk about lack of experience and judgment, Palin is it!
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Aug 31, 2008 - 10:15pm PT
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"..Bob,
You must have missed me on TV last night. I'm a backroom strategy guy, but I've been asked several times to run for congress. No thanks, make too much money and love what I do..."
Yeah, I've been asked several times to be the King of England. I dunno, it just rains too much over there.
Curt
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 31, 2008 - 10:34pm PT
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This just proves what a bunch of sick aholes the loony left are.
They are now trying to say that Palin's infant is really her grandkid.
Jus a bunchof fat old biddies jealous that they couldn't stay in shape.
Hope they keep it up this will play real well on main street.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/145838/319/386/581332
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