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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Jul 14, 2008 - 07:16pm PT
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"God always WAS...hard concept for mere humans to grasp, isn't it Dingus? After all, He is God."
Jody,
You are correct, just as it is hard for you to grasp the concept of evolution.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Jul 14, 2008 - 07:27pm PT
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Funny,
I grasp the concept of "god" always having "been" and I know it to be patently false.
Go figure....
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nature
climber
Santa Fe, NM
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Jul 14, 2008 - 07:36pm PT
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no no no Doug... Jody and a whole bunches of other peoples sez it's true so it is. 'member.... just sayin' so makes it true. PLUS!!!! it's written in a book... a really really old book!
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Jul 14, 2008 - 07:41pm PT
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Nature,
Oh, you are right!
My short term memory has gone.
Must bee too much pot.
If "god", (or Jody) says it is so and you read a bout it in a book that has evolved over time, it must be true. And everyone else is totally wrong, no mater what.
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monolith
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Jul 14, 2008 - 07:46pm PT
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Is it the 'If it's missing a single piece it won't work' argument?
Turns out, some mechanisms have evolved for one function, then switch to another with further changes.
It's like a mouse trap that is missing the latch. Makes a perfectly good tie clasp.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Jul 14, 2008 - 07:51pm PT
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"the 'If it's missing a single piece it won't work' argument"
A good way to put it. Doesn't that same type of argument work against creation? Lots of "missing links" in "proving" creation.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Jul 14, 2008 - 07:54pm PT
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Jody,
You are ignoring any evidence "we" present.
Can't you see this?
Every time the bible has been translated, the translators or the person in charge (probably some king at the time) has interjected their own biases.
I.e. the Revised Standard, the American Standard and the King James versions. Or for that matter the Living Bible.
Why can't there be just one?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Jul 14, 2008 - 07:58pm PT
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Many if not most people are unaware that the Bible teaches the earth is flat. All standard Bible references, all standard mainstream non-fundamentalist Bible scholarship acknowledges this. Like on so many other topics, the Bible simply reflects the primitive and mistaken cosmology of the day.
Ancient Israel imagined the earth to be a flat disk (Isa 42.5) resting on a foundation or pillars (Job 9.6). It is surrounded by the ocean (Pss 24.2; 136.6). It has four corners (Isa 11.12; Ezek 7.2; job 37.3; 38.13) and an edge (Isa 24.36) or ends (Isa 40.8; Job 28.4; Ps 48.11; Jer 6.22; 25.32). It also has a center or navel (Ezek 38.12). Except for the implication that Jerusalem is the earth’s center, ancient Israel’s view of the world did not differ from that of other ancient Near Eastern peoples.
— Stuhlmueller, Carroll. The Collegeville Pastoral Dictionary of Biblical Theology, p234. (Collegeville: The Liturgical Press, 1996)
More at http://fayfreethinkers.com/tracts/flatearth.shtml
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 14, 2008 - 08:03pm PT
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This seems an apropos comment on the 500 post mark being violated.
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm
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WandaFuca
Gym climber
San Fernando Lamas
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Jul 14, 2008 - 08:06pm PT
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No, no, no, no! Guyz, you've got it all wrong!
You see, the book says that God! has always existed,
and that proves that God! has always existed because the book is God!'s word, and God! wouldn't lie,
because the book says he doesn't lie, and . . . well, he's God!, dammit--except to Abe in Gen22,
but the spirit of God! has shown some people which parts of the book can be ignored,
so we can't count God!'s deception of Abe--and because the book says God! doesn't lie it must be true because the book is the word of God!--though it was written by many different people,
and translated by many others,
the spirit of God! can guide some people to understand the true spirit of the words of God! (though many that have the spirit of God! inside them,
telling them what the words mean,
do often argue with other people who have the spirit of God! inside them about the meaning of the words,
and whether the other guy actually has the spirit of God! inside him)--and so the book is perfect because God! is perfect,
because the book says so.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Jul 14, 2008 - 08:12pm PT
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" Granite...the Bible does not teach that the earth is flat."
But doesn't it? Extensive citations are in the link. http://fayfreethinkers.com/tracts/flatearth.shtml
The Bible also teaches that the sun and moon and all the stars (the entire rest of the universe apparently) were all created by God on the third day. I'm still waiting to hear how there can be days and nights without the sun.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Jul 14, 2008 - 08:16pm PT
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More teachings from the Bible. This has been posted here on the Taco a number of times, but is still just as funny and just as true. I haven't seen a good response to it yet from anyone who believes the entire Bible (Old Testament and all) is literally true.
Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
Your devoted fan,
Jim
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WandaFuca
Gym climber
San Fernando Lamas
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Jul 14, 2008 - 08:22pm PT
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Yes it is interesting how hundreds of billions of galaxies, each containing hundreds of billions of stars, took one day to make, but our little blue speck of dust took 4 days.
And where the hell do you get a "day" when you don't have an Earth or a universe?
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jul 14, 2008 - 08:23pm PT
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hey there all... say, i just stopped in to see what was new around here... or, what i mean is what was up for the nights agenda....
say, i have not read all this, as these can be a mite complicated, and this sure is a long one.. :)
say, i am not sure, as i said, what is going on.. .but my grandkids like to read the bible... i had actually read this part to them the other day, as the wording is very simple, and they can handle that better... (i just let them read, and i read whatever new words pop up)---well, hmmmm, in the king james, i think ours is... it said that when god made the light and called it day, etc... that this was the evening and the morning of the first day...
(it is verse 3, but it does say, it is the first evening and day, being that he said the earth was formless and void, and he said let there be light, and then he seperated the dark from the light)
hmmm... there must be other bible versions around, huh?
so far, though, all i have seen are the same.. but i dont go out and shop much....
well, i may stop and read a bit now that i am here...
i hope this helps a little, but then if there are other bibles that say other things... than it may be everyman for himself, until we meet our makers... etc...
oh, well, guys, back to your "species" stuff... :)
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Jul 14, 2008 - 08:29pm PT
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In the Bible the earth is at the center of the solar system and the sun revolves around it.
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
Joshua 10:13
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DJS
Trad climber
wherever my mind exists
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Jul 14, 2008 - 08:34pm PT
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It was only a handful of so-called intellectuals claiming to represent the Church, who promoted the "flat earth" myth. They were basically ignored by the Church, yet their writings somehow became the official stance of the Church in early history books.
So if this myth slipped through somehow, wouldn't it be probable that other myths slipped through as well?
Wouldn't that cause one to question the validity of the Churches teachings ie: The Bible?
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jul 14, 2008 - 08:43pm PT
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hey there ... say, thanks graniteclilmber... say, this is a longggggggggggggggggggggggggg thread, ... .my, oh, my... all kinds of stuff on it...
say, i thought i heard someone a long time ago say they had heard some scientist said that there was some kind of a time-account glitch somewhere, and then someone tried to point out that it very well could have been due to the stalled sun that on that very day, for joshua...
has anyone ever heard anything about that... ?
just curious, i dont know who it was that had found some kind of research on it.... it was very interesting.....
say, i did hear though that someone had actually thought to "try to find maps of roads in the sea"... meaning the ocean currents, after reading the bible.... not sure if that led folks to study how the winds have fixed courses, too, or not...
but that was very interesing about the currents... maybe i can try to find it... or maybe some of you all can... i was a lot younger when i first heard about it...
i always love to hear how folks discover stuff and what led them to do so... (i remeber madamn curie, too.. but she was not studying oceans or winds.. :) )
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
Nowhere
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Jul 14, 2008 - 08:44pm PT
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Jody, So most translations of the Bible are WRONG on this?
http://biblecc.com/isaiah/40-22.htm
Not one of the translations uses "sphere." although the Douay -Rheims translation uses "globe." The rest use arch or circle.
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