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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 14, 2017 - 06:58am PT
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You mean aside from the fact it's in Michigan?
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Feb 14, 2017 - 07:13am PT
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rj ....... too big, too impersonal, just an industrial mill, not a good fit for me; that's why I urged my daughter to go to a small school where she would actually get to know her lecturers. Anyway, I did get to see a levee fail, which was pretty epic. It was really interesting from other aspects too; water was actually coming up out of storm drains and flooding streets, as the water flowed in the opposite direction. Again, lack of thought and planning. If water flows downhill, which it generally does, then what happens when the river level is higher than the storm drains? Duh.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Feb 14, 2017 - 10:20am PT
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Looks like another hammer blow this weekend--dammit. Got few papers to read (I'm a teach) and it's a long weekend. Rain everywhere. Gah. Hope that damn dam holds.
BAd
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Feb 14, 2017 - 10:49am PT
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Man, Charlie D, that graph is sobering.
Praying for the best... It will be scary over the next week.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 15, 2017 - 08:25pm PT
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healyje....That's funny...
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 15, 2017 - 08:44pm PT
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God, it really is looking like the Hammer of God.
You're not alone guys, NE Nevada, southern Idaho, NW Utah having problems as well.
If worst comes to worse I could put up some of you here. Can't use much water though since the rising ground water has my septic failing and in the narrow canyon we're in there is the ever present possibility of a flash flood of water, mud and boulders.
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Feb 16, 2017 - 08:33am PT
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Predicted storm for LA this weekend Feb 17 - 19 up to 2 inches in urban areas.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Feb 16, 2017 - 09:52am PT
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east central az ... snowload on horizontal limbsfull the extent of the wreckage would fill many frames
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 16, 2017 - 10:15am PT
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I found this interesting. My conclusion, as if it's not obvious, is that the problem is not the weather, it's the population growth.
Scott Stine, a professor of geography and environmental studies at Cal State East Bay, has spent decades studying tree stumps in Mono Lake, Tenaya Lake, the Walker River and other parts of the Sierra Nevada.
Excerpted from an article citing his work, published in the San Jose Mercury News in 2014:
Through studies of tree rings, sediment and other natural evidence, researchers have documented multiple droughts in California that lasted 10 or 20 years in a row during the past 1,000 years -- compared to the mere three-year duration of the current dry spell. The two most severe megadroughts make the Dust Bowl of the 1930s look tame: a 240-year-long drought that started in 850 and, 50 years after the conclusion of that one, another that stretched at least 180 years.
Looking back, the long-term record also shows some staggeringly wet periods. The decades between the two medieval megadroughts, for example, delivered years of above-normal rainfall -- the kind that would cause devastating floods today. But Stine, who has spent decades studying tree stumps in Mono Lake, Tenaya Lake, the Walker River and other parts of the Sierra Nevada, said that the past century has been among the wettest of the last 7,000 years.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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Feb 16, 2017 - 10:21am PT
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Studies on the Canadian prairies have found evidence of many long lasting droughts (up to 40 years???) that make the 1930's look like a picnic.
This is a factor we have to live with in the West but packing in millions of people in the desert does not really make sense unless the water supplies are there.
I have read elsewhere that the last 120 years have been unusually wet in the West. This means we colonized the West during one of the optimal periods in recent history.
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rwedgee
Ice climber
CA
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Feb 16, 2017 - 10:24am PT
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4" in the Sand Fire burn zone is going to be a mess
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G_Gnome
Trad climber
Cali
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Feb 16, 2017 - 11:57am PT
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Here is the outlook for Stoney Point.
Will Boulder 2 finally roll onto its side and fall into the creek?!
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jonnyrig
climber
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Feb 16, 2017 - 02:46pm PT
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Well crap. I have Saturday free to climb, but probably no dry place for it. 1st world problem?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 16, 2017 - 02:58pm PT
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Keep yer powder dry, mates!
Yeah I know. I live right up at the base of the San Gabriels. Storms come in and park up against these mountains and drop their loads, so to speak.
California’s Record Rainfall for a 24-hour period was 26.12 inches occurring January 22-23, 1943, 18 miles north of Los Angeles City Hall in the San Gabriel Mountains).
I'm not in the drainage area, but a lot of people are. There are two dams here near the bottom of Monrovia Canyon, which has a very large drainage area above. The uphill dam is an old Mulholland style concrete arch dam about 100 ft. tall. A while back they cut the spillway down 20ft. because they didn't trust the dam to hold a full lake. If you look at it on Google earth you can see that the arch is distorted. Below this is a more modern earth and stone flood dam with a concrete spillway running into a concrete flood canal which runs into a system which channels water to the ocean. I've seen that channel nearly full in a heavy rain, but I think this coming rain could be another story altogether. Good to be on high ground (unless it slides off...)
Normally there's no water behind the upper dam. There's a pipe through the base which should pass water at the rate the lower dam and channel can handle. So if the volume of water coming down the canyon exceeds that amount the upper reservoir will begin to fill. Enough water coming over the spillway will overwhelm the lower catch basin and dam. Of course the upper dam hasn't been loaded in a very long time.
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Feb 16, 2017 - 02:59pm PT
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Jan, think of it this way, more rain predicted for Stoney Point on FRIDAY,
than received in an entire year two years ago.
Weather Underground has this on the website as of 3pm Thursday:
"An intense winter storm is expected to dump the heaviest rains in 10 to 20 years over Los Angeles and neighboring areas from late Thursday to early Saturday. Flash flooding and mudslides are expected."
edit:
wunderground.com
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Feb 16, 2017 - 03:12pm PT
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Watch out, this is for the Oroville water shed....holy cow: "recent forecasts show a high likelihood of greater than 10 inches of precipitation over the next 5 days, with parts of the basin expected to approach 15 inches over the next 7 days"
http://weatherwest.com/archives/5582
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Feb 16, 2017 - 03:21pm PT
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Friday Night Party!
winter storm warning for the sierra from Sequoia to Yosemite
winds to 30mph, gusting to 45
10 - 20" of snow above 7,000'
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Feb 16, 2017 - 03:48pm PT
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I stopped serious kayaking after my back injury many years ago but I always lived for big storms like this to bring levels up on local creeks like Sespe, Piru, Big Tujunga and East and West Forks of the San Gabriel. I am planning on a Packraft trip down Sespe at some point this spring with Spidersavage if he gets his boat in time. Gotta take advantage of these events when you can, never know when it will happen again.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Feb 16, 2017 - 03:52pm PT
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hey there, say...
just checking in... wondering how the storm stuff is doing?
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