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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 17, 2016 - 12:33pm PT
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...I was in the Valley intending to do the RNWFHD when, heading to Camp 4, I saw Galen, Dennis and Doug carrying haul sacks and hiking eastward. When they told me where they were going, we changed our plans.
I think you are older than me John :)
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 17, 2016 - 12:36pm PT
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I think you are older than me John :)
I probably am, Mtn. Young. In fact, I'm retiring from working in a law office today (I resigned from the State Bar ten years ago, but was convinced to come back as an idea man by two lawyers I mentored about 25 years ago).
In addition to being retired, I am now a grandfather (as of last Saturday), and on Medicare. I think that trifecta makes me officially old.
And no, Anders, I will not do so. Playboy is too left wing for this conservative.
John
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 17, 2016 - 12:39pm PT
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John,
Jealous about the retirement part (although I don't work 40 hours a week most of the time anymore).
Although, as you can tell, I'm not working in a law office today either....
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 17, 2016 - 12:39pm PT
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Congratulations, John!
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 17, 2016 - 12:46pm PT
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Mtn Young,
Ah a principled repub
Me? Not me (well maybe the "principled" part - at least I hope so).
No, I've been registered "decline to state" or whatever the hell that designation is for so long that I can't even remember what the designation is. I don't fit in either main political party.
And don't forget William F. Buckley. He's who I picture when I think about principled Republicans.
EDIT: I lean left on issues more than I lean right. Probably about a 2 - 1 ratio.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 17, 2016 - 12:47pm PT
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And to both of you: what's Playboy?
;) ;)
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 17, 2016 - 01:18pm PT
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And the whole "right - left" thing? How do we decide what's right on some issues and what's left?
Here's an example:
I may be the only person in the United States who's age starts with the number "5" that has never used any illicit drug of any type. Ever. And I've never smoked any substance either. Nothing (I'm as pure as the driven sleet). I hate being around smoking and will go out of my way to avoid anyone who's doing it.
And yet I strongly support legalizing marijuana.
I support this for two reasons:
1. We've proven for seven decades that making it illegal is completely futile (and a waste, an utter waste, of money and time);
2. It's relatively (relatively) harmless.
Are my views "left" or "right?"
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 17, 2016 - 01:20pm PT
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Principled!? Holy cow....a crypto fascist if there ever was one! but I guess fascists have their principles too.
I said principled. I didn't say I agreed with him.
In my perception, he relied on facts (OMFG) and used logic to make his points. In my view that is principled.
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Norton
Social climber
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Nov 17, 2016 - 01:31pm PT
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Your pot views are very left
As in
Supported by factual evidence and common sense
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 17, 2016 - 01:31pm PT
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Mighty Hiker,
Never heard of it (I've got kids, I never get to the movies).
I should put it on my "for-retirement" watching list :)
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 17, 2016 - 01:38pm PT
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Your pot views are very left...
So I'd kind of assumed that they were to the right? Far-right/Libertarian? Middle?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 17, 2016 - 01:46pm PT
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Your reasoning is libertarian. Both the left and the right think you can solve most bad behavior by legislating against it. They just disagree over what behavior is cannot be controlled in that way.
As an aside, Mtn Young, I'm impressed that you've managed to pare down under 40 hours while still in your 50's. I was working 60+ hour weeks, which may have contributed to the depression that ended my active bar status.
I'm also impressed that anyone living in Twain Harte is sufficiently open-minded to climb in Pinnacles. I should clarify the previous sentence. Anyone living in the Sierra foothills has a significant drive to get to Pinnacles, compared with western Sierra climbing.
John
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2016 - 02:11pm PT
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Thank you for the coverage of libertarianism.
Yeah, things like pot are pretty easy - do whatever you want as long as it doesn't harm someone else's person or property or public property and if you do cause harm you're responsible.
We could use more of that.
Barry Goldwater was asked what he thought of gays in the military and his reply was, "Just 'cuz they aren't straight doesn't mean they can't shoot straight!"
Puritanism, left or right, just causes suffering - drug cartels, violence, and crime associated with the "war on drugs", seed money for the mafia during prohibition, back alley abortions when abortion isn't legal...
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Nov 17, 2016 - 02:36pm PT
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In fact, I'm retiring from working in a law office today
Congratulations!
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Nov 17, 2016 - 03:54pm PT
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Rather, Continents are sinking because of increasing weight caused by the failure of anyone to destroy any issues of National Geographic
And New Yorker magazines.
Congrats on retiring, JohnE!
In addition to being retired, I am now a grandfather (as of last Saturday), and on Medicare. What's your back-up plan?
Medicare has been very, very good to me. Anthem supplemental.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 17, 2016 - 04:05pm PT
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I'm also impressed that anyone living in Twain Harte is sufficiently open-minded to climb in Pinnacles. I should clarify the previous sentence. Anyone living in the Sierra foothills has a significant drive to get to Pinnacles, compared with western Sierra climbing.
Thanks John, I love climbing at Pinns. Adventure and history are alive in its climbing scene (although if I told you how much I climb there, you might well move me over to the "wack-nuts" portion of this thread).
Do you climb there too (sounds like it)?
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eeyonkee
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Nov 17, 2016 - 04:08pm PT
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Rather, Continents are sinking because of increasing weight caused by the failure of anyone to destroy any issues of National Geographic
I didn't try very hard to find the original source of this line, but might I say I find it extremely funny. The second-funniest line I've heard in the last few days after "performance blunts".
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Nov 17, 2016 - 05:21pm PT
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Reading and thinking is hard.
Cutting and Pasting? Not so much.
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