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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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You and channel 4 can spew all day that blacks commit more crimes for their percent of America's population, but why does that work out to the cases we see on the news of blacks getting killed by cops, for running away, or just being black?
Apparently you don't believe that the media have their own agenda?
I'll say again, facts are facts. According to FBI stats (which you are happy to cite when they fit your gun-control arguments) flatly state that blacks commit a hugely disproportionate amount of violent crime.
This is not me "spewing." Facts are facts.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Btw: wtf does black on black crIme have to do with any of this?
Ignoring your lopsided vitriol, I guess that you didn't bother to read the actual analysis on the part of the researchers writing those (and many other similar) articles.
If you commit many times the number of violent crimes as your proportion of society, you are going to encounter amped up cops a disproportionate number of times. If you then resist arrest, try to beat on them, or act like you are pulling a gun (or actually do pull a gun), you are almost certainly going to get shot.
You see, this is no surprise to the vast majority of citizens. Law abiding people (of any race) realize that if you don't want to get shot by a cop, you should....
1) Avoid doing things that draw their attention to you!
2) If you do get their attention, COMPLY with what they tell you to do!
3) If they have treated you unjustly, you address that matter AFTER you are no longer a criminal suspect.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Madbolter1?? It strongly appears, you "jest" can't fit me into your little, but loquacious, mind:
I'll say again, facts are facts. According to FBI stats (which you are happy to cite when they fit your gun-control arguments) flatly state that blacks commit a hugely disproportionate amount of violent crime.
Oh Yes! I'm all for gun control, if I can get more accurate bullet placement.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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The "news" serves only to feed you nutcases with constant 24x7 bullsh!t that drives whatever the divisive narrative might be that day. Part of the circuses....
Journalism is dead and has been for a long time. Maybe it never really existed but is just more obvious with the 365x7x24hr droning.
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10b4me
Social climber
Lida Junction
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And your question asking if priests screwing little boys bothered me was not?
You are a certifiable loon.
obviously the police academy didn't teach jody what an ad hominem is.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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It's a culture thang, not a racial thang.
Let's not conflate the two.
Now, back to your regularly-scheduled echo-chamber.
Nighty night.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2018 - 09:35pm PT
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Oh Yes! I'm all for gun control, if I can get more accurate bullet placement.
What’s in the background of your “dinner” picture? The ghosts of those two beautiful animals you offed?
Have fun across the ocean.
Susan
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Susan: I had put the guns of my Idaho youth away, by the time Heidi & I bough our 5-acre ranchette in 1991.
We quickly discovered, our local skunks, porcupines,mule deer, & rock chucks considered our ranchette, their ranchette.
The first major problem was during a small party a few months after we moved here, when a rabid skunk wanted to join the party. As our guests fled from the staggering skunk, I ran to find a pistol & killed the party-crasher.
Then the porcupines killed our new fruit trees, the rock chucks ate Heidi’s garden, & I started killing the animals that caused us grief. We mostly fenced out the mule deer with a 6’ high fence, which they can jump, but it offends them.
The dinner photo with the two pistols & tents in the background, is not staged. It is from a car-camping trip into “deepest Idaho” with my fellow Idaho native, Mark. We were in bear country & our pistols are part of our cultural baggage.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 4, 2018 - 10:17pm PT
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Fritz...I was just joshing wid ya.
I grew up in Western Pa...a major gun and bible loving area.
There was a rite of passage...even for the girls.
8 yr old B.B. gun
12 yr old .22
16 yr old 30.06.
We used to shoot about anything that moved. Ate most of it.
Our high school had rifle club and it was about 30% girls. I was one. Our high school did extremely well in our inter scholastic meets. Could you imagine 35+ kids carrying rifles to school nowadays?
I loved venison but when I shot my first deer I knew I didn’t have it in me anymore. Well I still venison but not from my kill.
Anyway. Take care of them varmits.
Susan
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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^^^^^^^
Yeah, I was thinking that myself.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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We quickly discovered, our local skunks, porcupines,mule deer, & rock chucks considered our ranchette, their ranchette.
Ya know, Aussies live with far more dangerous critters
Are you sure? Mule deer attacks are on the rise. Same goes for rock chucks. They're vicious.
Be afraid.
Be very afraid.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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And thanks to couchmaster for pointing out that cops only shoot black children who have toy guns. What a relief to know that!
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Kaepernick is a fraud. But not for the reason everyone's got their panties in a bunch over.
He's a fraud because he claims the moral high ground while, for more $ he could ever make playing backup quarterback on a mid-level NFL team, he's associated himself with a company which contracts with brutal sweatshops in foreign countries to make their $200.00 sneakers.
Nike doesn't own these places, so they claim they are not in control of or responsible for the working conditions, but they sure do like the pricing. They've been claiming to "audit" these facilities in places like Vietnam and Indonesia since they were first outed for such practices in the 1990's. They've managed to take the issue out of the public eye, but it has changed little if at all.
From a well documented report by the Worker's Rights Consortium regarding a factory in Vietnam:
All of these practices are in violation of the labor standards set by the many colleges, universities, civic and sports organizations which purchase uniforms and equipment from Nike - many under contract.
• Abusive and unsafe management practices – including excessive production quotas, relentless pressure on workers to meet these quotas, and failure to maintain required temperature levels in factory buildings – that have resulted in numerous incidents of workers collapsing unconscious at their work stations;
• Instances of physical abuse of workers by company managers; and pervasive verbal harassment of workers by managerial personnel, including yelling, swearing, and profane insults;
• Degrading restrictions on workers’ use of the factory toilets and harassment of workers attempting to use these facilities;
• Other forms of harassment and abuse, including forbidding employees from yawning at work and threatening workers with disciplinary action if they did not follow such rules;
• Forced and excessive overtime and use of falsified records to conceal this practice;
• Other wage and hour violations, including widespread off-the-clock work both before and after work shifts, as well as during rest periods;
• Illegal recruitment fees (i.e., bribes) extracted from prospective employees by certain managers as a condition of workers having their job applications considered by the company;
• Discriminatory dismissal of pregnant employees and denial of legally mandated workplace accommodations during pregnancy;
• Other types of unlawful dismissal, including coercing workers to resign and falsifying personnel records, in order to avoid legal obligations that apply when workers are involuntarily dismissed;
• Denial of sick leave, even when ordered by a doctor;
• Additional paid leave violations, including denial of legally required leave to care for infirm family members or to mourn deceased relatives;
• Management domination of the factory’s labor union, including the installation of the factory’s senior human resources manager as the union’s executive chair, and placing other managers on the union’s executive committee; and
• Numerous additional health and safety violations, including unsafe spraying of hazardous chemical solvents, inadequate seating exposing workers to risk of musculoskeletal injury, padlocking of some exit doors during work hours, unsafe food handling in the factory canteen, and temperatures in factory buildings in excess of the legal limit of 90 degrees Fahrenheit (32 Celsius), even during the cooler part of the year.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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^^^ No, it's for the reasons you stated above AND for the reason that some have their panties in a bunch.
Kaepernick is a poor representative of this "movement," just as the majority of the catalyst cases are poor exemplars of the "problem" that the "movement" seeks to redress.
These issues don't invalidate the movement itself. I mean, it would be fallacious to say, "They can't make a good case, so the case is crap."
A bad argument in favor of a conclusion doesn't make the conclusion false; that has to be independently demonstrated. What it does justify, however, is a response something like, "If this is the best you've got in favor of your case, well, count me unconvinced."
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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I don't think Kaepernick is fraud just for being a Nike spokesman. After all, the poorest people in the world are not sweat shop employees, but rather people who live in societies where people are completely cut off from the modern economy. So while working in a sweat shop sucks, it's probably better than the most likely alternative (not working at all).
But Kaepernick is apparently a football fraud. Elway offered him a chance to play for the Broncos, but he he turned it down. (Presumably he still had sufficient skills to function at a 2nd or 3rd string level). Seems like Kap's football skills started declining at an unusually early age, and he was smart enough to instead of just retiring at an early age since he didn't want a backup roll, to cook up a scheme to make it seem like he's a victim of the Man, and then cash in on that. Pretty clever actually.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/17/sport/john-elway-colin-kaepernick-broncos-spt-intl/index.html
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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So while working in a sweat shop sucks, it's probably better than the most likely alternative (not working at all).
I guess that makes it all okay then.
How is it that Addidas and Reebok do just fine without contracting with companies which abuse their workers?
Do you think Kaepernick is unaware of Nike's track record in this regard?
He's just another hypocrite exploiting the race issue for his own enrichment.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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While Kaepernick wasn't the greatest QB, he also wasn't terrible. He made it to one Super Bowl and one NFC championship, which is more than most QBs not named Brady.
Most of the QBs in the NFL are pretty middle of the road. While Kaep might have been a little on the downside of things, there's also no reason to believe a QB with his background wouldn't have seen more interest than has been apparent.
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