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pyro
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Calabasas
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+1 john M
What are the voters begging for?
They thought change was going to work..
Now it looks like they want more COMPETENCY
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Norton
Social climber
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Interesting, Pyro
is that why the polls are saying another Democrat, Hillary, is highly likely to be Pres?
cause they want less change and more "competency"?
in fact some polls are saying Bernie Sanders beat any Republican heads up and he
is far behind Hillary in the Democratic polling
unless there is something else you are basing your "opinion" on?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2015 - 11:29am PT
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The rapid recovery under Reagan shows what can happen with intelligent policies.
He had a cooperative, Democratic congress the whole time for starters. Secondly, can we please stop pretending that Presidents are at the driver's wheel of the economy? The only people who seem to believe this are journalists and politicians.
Lastly,
When President Obama moved into the Oval Office, the nation was not gripped in the throes of inflation. As a result, it was not a situation where he could subject the nation to a year or two of pain that comes from the Fed quickly raising interest rates only to see the inevitable economic boom that follows when those interest rates plummet downwards. Indeed, what we experienced was quite the opposite as the Fed lowered rates to entice banks to loan money, with an eye always on the frightening prospect of deflation.
In reality, there is little about the economic issues President Reagan inherited that is similar to what President Obama faced—and that is why the comparison between the two is one of apples and oranges.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2014/09/18/the-obama-economy-vs-the-reagan-economy-its-literally-no-contest/
pyro posted Now it looks like they want more COMPETENCY
Agreed. Hillary, Jeb and Kasich are the only ones up there who can claim to be able to have the experience to accomplish this. Unfortunately, the 2 Republicans are getting whomped because competency is exactly the opposite of what the Republican base is clamoring for.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Polls show Rubio, Cruz, Carson, Trump and Bush beating Hillary.
Love those polls.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired Climber
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The thing that I think that needs to be discussed is what exactly is the core of the dissatisfaction this country is currently undergoing. The dissatisfaction that Trump is tapping into. How much is real, and how much is manufactured dissatisfaction.
1) people are tired of political correctness
2) people are tired of entitlement programs
Such as.. I believe that it is real that we have too many poorly thought out regulations which are open to abuse. Example. Overly complicated tax code. I don't head towards oversimplification, such as a flat tax, but I do see a need to rewrite the tax code.
I agree that a flat tax won't work, but a national sales tax might.
I also see the broadening of the gap between wealthy and everyone else as a problem.
I don't see this as the big issue that the media portends
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2015 - 11:58am PT
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10b posted 1) people are tired of being able to drop N-bombs whenever they want...er...I mean political correctness
Fixed that for you. It's hard to find people more politically correct than the current Republican base. Don't call Benghazi "terrorism" before you have all the facts? Not politically correct. Don't call undocumented immigrants "illegals?" Not politically correct. Suggest that we take climate change seriously because the evidence supports it? Not politically correct. Dare to used a technical economic term like "redistribution?" Two years of political correct backlash.
Republican candidates walk the most absurdly tight rope and if they slip up once and dare to insinuate that the most far right idea being put forward isn't 100% perfect, they get politically crucified. They are completely obsessed with it.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Polls show Rubio, Cruz, Carson, Trump and Bush beating Hillary. That's utterly frightening
But then again, "President Hillary" is only slightly less terrifying.
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John M
climber
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I also see the broadening of the gap between wealthy and everyone else as a problem.
I don't see this as the big issue that the media portends
I disagree, because of the weakening of the middle class.
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philo
climber
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EdT what a stupid Poll-ish Joke.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2015 - 12:19pm PT
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Polls show Rubio, Cruz, Carson, Trump and Bush beating Hillary.
I think you mean there ARE polls that show them beating Hillary.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Clinton 47, Trump 41 Clinton +6
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Clinton 47, Cruz 42 Clinton +5
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Rubio 44, Clinton 45 Clinton +1
General Election: Carson vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Carson 43, Clinton 46 Clinton +3
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 49, Trump 41 Sanders +8
General Election: Cruz vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 49, Cruz 39 Sanders +10
General Election: Rubio vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 44, Rubio 43 Sanders +1
General Election: Carson vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Carson 41, Sanders 47 Sanders +6
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 41, Trump 46 Trump +5
General Election: Carson vs. Clinton FOX News Carson 47, Clinton 42 Carson +5
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton FOX News Rubio 50, Clinton 42 Rubio +8
General Election: Bush vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 39, Bush 45 Bush +6
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 41, Cruz 45 Cruz +4
General Election: Fiorina vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 42, Fiorina 42 Tie
General Election: Christie vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 43, Christie 46 Christie +3
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders FOX News Sanders 41, Trump 46 Trump +5
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 45, Trump 44 Clinton +1
General Election: Carson vs. Clinton PPP (D) Carson 45, Clinton 46 Clinton +1
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton PPP (D) Rubio 45, Clinton 43 Rubio +2
General Election: Bush vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 43, Bush 41 Clinton +2
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Cruz 44 Clinton +2
New Hampshire: Trump vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 47, Trump 40 Clinton +7
New Hampshire: Rubio vs. Clinton FOX News Rubio 47, Clinton 40 Rubio +7
New Hampshire: Carson vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 43, Carson 45 Carson +2
New Hampshire: Bush vs. Clinton FOX News Bush 45, Clinton 42 Bush +3
New Hampshire: Cruz vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 44, Cruz 41 Clinton +3
New Hampshire: Kasich vs. Clinton FOX News Kasich 43, Clinton 40 Kasich +3
New Hampshire: Fiorina vs. Clinton FOX News Fiorina 43, Clinton 43 Tie
New Hampshire: Christie vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 44, Christie 43 Clinton +1
Virginia: Trump vs. Clinton Roanoke College Clinton 50, Trump 36 Clinton +14
Virginia: Carson vs. Clinton Roanoke College Carson 44, Clinton 44 Tie
Virginia: Rubio vs. Clinton Roanoke College Clinton 45, Rubio 41 Clinton +4
Virginia: Cruz vs. Clinton Roanoke College Clinton 47, Cruz 39 Clinton +8
Virginia: Bush vs. Clinton Roanoke College Clinton 46, Bush 39 Clinton +7
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 41, Trump 44 Trump +3
General Election: Carson vs. Sanders PPP (D) Carson 46, Sanders 39 Carson +7
General Election: Rubio vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 38, Rubio 44 Rubio +6
General Election: Bush vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 39, Bush 42 Bush +3
General Election: Cruz vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 39, Cruz 44 Cruz +5
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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I hate the "Free Lunch" analogy of John's
anything that sounds like a free lunch is automatically deemed bad and unsustainable
He has it 100% backwards, that's what the Government does, it gives out free lunches
It promotes the health of the society as a whole by providing education, grants, scholarships, loans etc.
We were a great Country because we invested in our society, infrastructure and people
But instead, we invest in the military now.
that the regulators will have the knowledge that will enable them to make intelligent regulations. Crazy talk
Regulations came about from the same reason every time, they were imposed because of a prior situation that someone was taking advantage of.
No regulation is just made up for no reason, the reason for the regulation was if they didn't have it all hell would break loose.
AND
Businesses WANT regulations, they want to be protected from monopolies and other criminal intent.
They want to know what the rules are, and abide by them
Your free for all markets scare the hell out business because they don't know what's legal and what's not.
And we have seen what happens when the regulations are cut, the vultures come out and take advantage of them.
Deregulation is like having a football game without rules, anything goes, no one can predict what will happen next, screw the lines, drop the ball, go for the balls, ignore the clock, the exact opposite of the Stability you say is good
Deregulation is promoted for one reason, greed
It does not create jobs
Free Lunches Create Jobs
It's all about what the Gov. invests in, people or the military industrial complex and oil which ends up in the pockets of the already rich
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2015 - 04:42pm PT
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Here's a thing...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/23/catholic-hospital-argues-_n_2534383.html
Catholic Hospital Argues Fetuses Are Not People In Malpractice Suit
...but when it came to mounting a defense in the Stodghill case, Catholic Health’s lawyers effectively turned the Church directives on their head. Catholic organizations have for decades fought to change federal and state laws that fail to protect “unborn persons,” and Catholic Health’s lawyers in this case had the chance to set precedent bolstering anti-abortion legal arguments. Instead, they are arguing state law protects doctors from liability concerning unborn fetuses on grounds that those fetuses are not persons with legal rights.
As Jason Langley, an attorney with Denver-based Kennedy Childs, argued in one of the briefs he filed for the defense, the court “should not overturn the long-standing rule in Colorado that the term ‘person,’ as is used in the Wrongful Death Act, encompasses only individuals born alive. Colorado state courts define ‘person’ under the Act to include only those born alive. Therefore Plaintiffs cannot maintain wrongful death claims based on two unborn fetuses.”
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krahmes
Social climber
Stumptown
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I worked up a bro science spreadsheet on the posters to this thread at a post count of 403 and classified each post into one of 8 categories: Drony, Angry, Preachy, Snarky, Insane(y), Boss(y), Chart(y) and Meme(y). The classification was subjective and made after reading at least 10% of each post or looking at the meme or chart for a half second.
Boss(y) is the best, Snarky is good, Chart(y) and Meme(y) is that I take your point or reference as valid, Drony is like white noise, Preachy is like spare me, Angry is angry and Insane(y) is crazy talk. 43 posters are on this thread as it stands now.
The top 11 posters on this thread are:
Philo: 54 total: Drony=18; Angry=18; Preachy=3; Snarky=2; Insane=7; Meme=7
HighDesertDJ: 51 total: Drony=31; Angry=4; Preachy=12; Snarky=2; Bossy=1 Chart=2
Craig Fry: 38 total: Drony=12; Angry=24; Preachy=1; Meme=1
The Chief: 33 total: Drony=5; Preachy=2; Snarky=2; Boss=10 (what can I say he is great at tossing flies and his memes are solid); Chart=9; and Meme=9
Apogee: 21 total: Drony=19; Preachy=1; Snarky=1
Jeleazarian: 19 total: Drony= 10; Boss=9
Cranskster: 18 total: Drony=8; Angry=5; Preachy=2; Insane=1; Meme=2
Norton: 16 total: Drony=10; Angry=4; Insane=1; Meme=1
EdwardT: 12 total: Drony=10: Meme=2
HermitMaster: 10 total: Drony=4; Boss=1; Meme=5
Dirtbag: 10 total: Drony=9; Preachy=1
The surprising piece of data for me is that I thought philo would win the angry count but Craig Fry is strong on the vitriol and surged to the top position as probably the angriest man on Supertopo. Anyway this video is dedicated to Craig Fry, philo, and crankster: Lighten up Sandra.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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philo
climber
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Wow you really have a lot of spare time and pitiful hobby.
But do you feel better now?
How was my angry snark?
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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My analysis, based on reading 13.2% of krahmes post and subdividing by the coefficient of cheeky (.463):
krahmes: 1, but dumbest post on the thread. Not easy given the completion. Congratulations! And thanks for not re-posting the Charlton Heston NRA video.
This data is a bit surprising given the repetition of rightwing media talking points. But my results are accurate, he's the winner.
krahmes, my suggested therapy: take a long hike or swim. Long.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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'Drony'? Me? Let me tell you what I think about that.
There is a dark force working to infringe upon our most important constitutional rights. That dark force is Krahmes. To get immediately to the point, Krahmes has recently stated that this is the best of all possible worlds and that he is the best of all possible people. Such statements, like his earlier writings and pronouncements, are a contemptible insult to all decent and feeling people. I've tried explaining to his apple-polishers that I'm sure we would all appreciate a remote control with the power to mute him whenever he goes into a long-winded rant about how matters of racial justice should enter a period of “benign neglect”. Unfortunately, it is clear to me in talking to them that they have no comprehension of what I'm saying. I might as well be talking to creatures from Mars. In fact, I'd bet Martians would be more likely to discern that over time, Krahmes's litanies have progressed from being merely intemperate to being superintemperate, hyperintemperate, and recently ultraintemperate. In fact, I'd say that now they're even megaintemperate.
Fortunately, if you ever get into an argument with some of Krahmes's lieutenants about whether or not he started as merely a contumelious geek but quickly devolved into a snippy erastophiliac, I have an excellent sockdolager for you. Simply inform the other party that wherever abrasive lowbrows are seen turning back the clock and repealing all the civil rights and anti-discrimination legislation now on the books, Krahmes is there. Wherever fatuitous doomsday prophets are found humiliating, subjugating, and eventually eliminating everyone who wants to begin the invigorating, rejuvenating process of offering a framework for discussion so that we can more quickly reach a consensus, Krahmes is lurking nearby. Wherever hateful dossers are observed punishing dissent through intimidation, public ridicule, economic exclusion, imprisonment, and most extremely, death, Krahmes will no doubt be in the vicinity. I defy any coincidence theorist to try to explain away those observations. Clearly, Krahmes will create an unwelcome climate for those of us who are striving to find more constructive contexts in which to work toward resolving conflicts because he possesses a hatred that defies all logic and understanding, that cannot be quantified or reasoned away, and that savagely possesses the most haughty tax cheats I've ever seen with odious and uncontrollable rage.
The devastation caused by Krahmes's ramblings is entropic, but it does not have to be inevitable. That is, if we are vigilant in inculcating in the reader an inquisitive spirit and a skepticism about beliefs that Krahmes's disciples take for granted we will be able to sway people towards the realization that a central point of his belief systems is the notion that his writings are a veritable encyclopedia of everything that is directly pertinent to mankind's spiritual and intellectual development. Perhaps Krahmes should take some new data into account and revisit that notion. I think he'd find that if one dares to criticize even a single tenet of his snow jobs, one is promptly condemned as sniveling, sexist, obstreperous, or whatever epithet he deems most appropriate, usually without much explanation. If Fate desired that Krahmes make a correct application of what he had read about teetotalism it would have to indicate title and page number since the nettlesome galoot would otherwise never in all his life find the correct place. But since Fate does not do this, we must always remember that Krahmes's disorderly objectives are intended to rot out the minds of all freedom-loving, free-thinking people. Once that's accomplished, he can replace such people with compliant, Krahmes-controlled, and, above all, obedient robots who would never think to champion the poor and oppressed against the evil of Krahmes. These automata will guarantee the destruction of anything that looks like a vital community in the immediate years ahead.
I plan to expose some of Krahmes's officious deeds. Are you with me—or against me? Whatever you decide, Krahmes's view is that the stork is responsible for procreation. If Krahmes's adversarial, amoral pals had any moral or intellectual training, such a position would undoubtedly be rendered revolting to their better feelings. I personally want nothing more—or less—than to take away as many of Krahmes's opportunities for mischief as possible. To that task I have consecrated my life and I invite you to do likewise. If Krahmes honestly believes that some of my points are not valid, I would love to get some specific feedback from him.
While some information provided by Krahmes's acolytes may be factual, other material is unsubstantiated rumor or brutish perceptions. Krahmes's cat's-paws claim to have no choice but to abrogate some of our most fundamental freedoms. I wish there were some way to help these miserable, inconsiderate sad sacks. They are outcasts, lost in a world they didn't make and don't understand. On this subject we get only a lot of blather and obfuscation from Krahmes and his sympathizers. No, scratch that. Let me instead make the much stronger claim that Krahmes's most steadfast claim is that it is his moral imperative to subordinate all spheres of society to an ideological vision of organic community. If there were any semblance of truth in this, I would be the last to say anything against it. As it stands, however, I correctly predicted that Krahmes would spread rumors, gossip, and stories that are unequivocally false. Alas, I didn't think he'd do that so effectively—or so soon. Let me end this letter by pointing out that the battle to call for a return to the values that made this country great is now joined on many fronts. We will not waver; we will not tire; we will not falter; and we will not fail.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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It cannot be denied that Fascism and similar movements aiming at the establishment of dictatorships are full of the best intentions and that their intervention has, for the moment, saved European civilization. The merit that Fascism has thereby won for itself will live on eternally in history.
Ludvig von Mises
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