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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 18, 2016 - 03:16pm PT
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The election will hinge on turnout. Can any of you Progresso idiots imagine a large enthusiastic turnout for your old stinking bag of gas. Try to imagine if you were young again, would you be inspired by Hildabeast?
Trump is a populist with an exciting crossover message you've already heard a little of. Cruz is a first class orator and you can be sure he has the machine to turn out the base.
Women have waited a long time.
Blacks waited a long time, and they remember who helped them.
Jews know who ran the ovens.
You guys have done a great job of kicking hispanics.
A lot of white, educated men and women can see through the rhetoric.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Jan 18, 2016 - 03:18pm PT
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Trump, is as abusive to the Republicans, as he is the Democrats. In the end, I think there will be a lot of new faces on that side, no matter how it plays out.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jan 18, 2016 - 03:19pm PT
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ok thanks Norton!
And yes, the other option I pondered was when the old, angry, racist white men die off.
But what keeps them from stealing away power in a different way? Law of Diminishing Return?
Overturn Citizens United, outlaw Gerrymandering, Term limits == Everything turns blue. You'd think at some point those with a little bit of an education that vote red would realize that if you have to cheat to win perhaps you are supporting the wrong team.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jan 18, 2016 - 03:22pm PT
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rick sumner: Thoughtful analysis as always. Perhaps you are unaware that Adolph Hitler had an enormous populist appeal and used many of the same lunatic generalizations to further enhance his image.
Read craig fry's recent post with the photo & quote by Pastor Niemoller and try actually thinking for once in your life.
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dirt claud
Social climber
san diego,ca
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Jan 18, 2016 - 03:29pm PT
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So if I have this right, some of you whiteys on here really believe that you got farther ahead due to your "white privilege" right?
If you recognize this, why don't you lead the way and give back some of the things you gained due to your white privilege?
If you're not willing to do that, please explain how you are any better than any other whitey, and how recognizing that you had "white privilege makes you a saint compared to others.
You don't do sh#t but complain and cry about how good you had/have it, but you won't walk the talk. You're no better than any other white person with supposed privileges, you just love to pretend you care by simply insulting the other side.
And I don't believe this white privilege BS either. Any Hispanic I ask can't give me the name of any white person or people who held them back, it's always "the system man". Well, the system is made up of all kinds of races now, so STFU and quit being a cry baby
Even those that really were treated like sh#t in the past due to real institutionalized racism didn't sit back and cry and act like victims. They said "F you", I will prove you wrong, and they did. Crying like a bunch of whiney babies would have gotten them nowhere.
I guess I'm brainwashed to think I live in a world where no one is going to stop me from accomplishing my dreams. But that is exactly the mentality you Libs feed to minorities. We can't get ahead unless we have your help right?
Take that mentality and shove it up your a*#, it is a fookin insult ,my son will not grow up thinking he is limited and can't get ahead because of how another human being thinks.
I love that the party with a old white woman and an old white man as their main presidential candidates is telling me about how they hate their white guilt and I should be a Lib.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Jan 18, 2016 - 03:34pm PT
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Gore supported the first war under the Powell doctrine as did many Dems. Overwhelming force, exit strategy, public and international support as prewar conditions. Daddy Bush did it right.
Gore definitely gave some bullsh#t, blustery speaches after all the trumped up intel had eveyone thinking "mushroom cloud" and most everyone was talking a tough game, including Hillary which cost her.
That's a far cry from actually following the exact same path to war that Bush took with the Neo Cons, Zionists and the Halliburton types. It took a huge propaganda campaign based on false intel and lies to get public support. I doubt Gore was that ambitious for war.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Jan 18, 2016 - 03:39pm PT
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I doubt Gore was that ambitious for war.
Also seems like he was busy working on the greatest threat to National Security that we currently face - Global Climate Change.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Jan 18, 2016 - 03:46pm PT
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Dirt Claud-
I guarantee you, some of us do every day.
Do you want a laundry list? That would be in poor style and it won't happen.
BTW-How many Latinos do you employee?
PS- I hear what haters say, on a daily basis about Mexican workers and I've been confronted about hiring Mexicans by haters- I generally tell them to get fuked. Believe it or not, one standard can be set across the board by reasonable employers. So I guess what your saying "Thanks, but no thanks- I got this".
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jan 18, 2016 - 03:47pm PT
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Steward ken m craig fry..
Im better than You!
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jan 18, 2016 - 03:55pm PT
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It requires an enormous amount of privilege to have this viewpoint.
No, it merely requires the stepping back and looking at the big picture not the Dem vs. Repub rhetoric. You have the same privilege.
Both parties are driven to expand the role of government, reduce individual freedom and impose their brand of morality.
I have come to realization that regardless of whether I happen to agree with one or the other's brand of coercion at the moment, its still a level of control that is unsuited for a country that claims its citizens are "free".
If people are proponents of further restrictions to freedom, more wealth re-distribution and expanded government then that's fine. That's their prerogative and that's the political viewpoint they hold.
But claiming that the Republicans are fundamentally different from the Democrats in this day and age shows an enormous lack of perspective.
People that want to die more free than they were born, even if that means a level of uncertainly is injected into their lives, recognize the similarities quite easily.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jan 18, 2016 - 03:58pm PT
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So if I have this right, some of you whiteys on here really believe that you got farther ahead due to your "white privilege" right?
If you recognize this, why don't you lead the way and give back some of the things you gained due to your white privilege?
Troll, the way many of us do that, is we work to tear down the barriers that exist, and publicize the ones that stood, that ignorant people like you didn't know about.
For example, where I live in the San Fernando Valley, the housing developments used to contain covenants that prohibited the sale to "coloreds", and Jews.
That was ended by the current Governor's father. You guys fought it like hell.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Jan 18, 2016 - 04:00pm PT
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+1 on the privlage.
Me thinks you need to live in some other, let's say, more authoritarian country to gain proper perspective.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jan 18, 2016 - 04:15pm PT
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^^^^^^^^
Actually the living in the PRK was quite enough for me to get all the perspective I needed.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jan 18, 2016 - 04:29pm PT
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pyro: There's a perfect name for you:
White trash.
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John M
climber
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Jan 18, 2016 - 04:53pm PT
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expanding the power of government isn't the only sin political parties can be guilty of. One party tends to grow the military faster then the other. One party has brought us closer to WW3 more often then the other. Thats one reason why I vote.
If both parties are the same, then Do you vote Escopeta?
would people please dial the insults back. try taking the high road occasionally.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Jan 18, 2016 - 05:16pm PT
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Of course I vote.
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John M
climber
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Jan 18, 2016 - 05:17pm PT
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why would you vote if there is no difference in the parties?
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Jan 18, 2016 - 05:19pm PT
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expanding the power of government isn't the only sin political parties can be guilty of. One party tends to grow the military faster then the other. One party has brought us closer to WW3 more often then the other. Thats one reason why I vote.
So John M.... you are talking about the Democrats, Right?
EDIT: to correct grammar
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John M
climber
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Jan 18, 2016 - 05:21pm PT
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nope..
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jan 18, 2016 - 05:23pm PT
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Escopeta No, it merely requires the stepping back and looking at the big picture not the Dem vs. Repub rhetoric. You have the same privilege.
Ignoring the obvious contradiction of your statement, yes I have the same privilege. The difference is that I acknowledge that I am privileged and believe that others deserve what I have. You are upset that you perceive your privilege is being taken from you and given to others that do not deserve it. That is one of the fundamental political dramas playing out in American politics at the moment.
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