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monolith

climber
state of being
Sep 30, 2015 - 08:57pm PT
No, Chief. You were thinking all low income women were elegible for ACA.

Not true. You do understand that now, right Chief?

If there are some providers on the eastside that take medicaid and can perform all the services, that's great.

It's not true everywhere particularly in red states. That's where PP is essential.

Good night, Chief. Try to keep your frothing to a minimum.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Sep 30, 2015 - 09:00pm PT
No, Chief. You were thinking all low income women were elegible for ACA.

Once again MONO, RTFP... Focus Focus Focus.

ok...

Can anyone of you loons answer this.

Why is Planned Parenthood (Federally Funded) needed when Obamacare (ACA) pays for 100% of all the same exact stuff that a Woman of low income that is eligible for such, requires. Including abortions. And she can do so with the physician of her choice. Where as in PP, that is NOT an option.



Once again Mono, thanks for the predictable laugh you are ALWAYS certainly good for, each and every time.


Back to you Brown... Obamacare provides the same exact services as does PP.


http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-womens-health-services/


Edit:

And this one is just for you, MONO! PP is in the 10% group.


It's not true everywhere particularly in red states. That's where PP is essential.

Hmmm, the statistic sing a far different tune. And, most of the "Red States" you eluded to, will, they pulled the plug on PP funding and they are doing just fine without it.


apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Sep 30, 2015 - 09:35pm PT
"Both produce dead meat."

Wow....not only ironic, but darkly cynical, too!

What a happy life you live, TGT.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Sep 30, 2015 - 11:13pm PT
If the feds were subsidizing a profitable company that made bullets instead of baby parts the progs would all be up in arms.


Why do you have to lie to make your points? Are your arguments so weak??

Feds do NOT "subsidize" PP, they CONTRACT with them, to provide a service.

Is your model that the gov't should not "subsidize" teachers beyond food clothing and shelter? It would be unconscionable to pay them any sort of "profit"?

The same for soldiers?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Oct 1, 2015 - 05:27am PT
BTW: "Obama" has options on his desk not only to nuke and/or bunker bomb Iran, but also to "carpet bomb" Syria. He's still reviewing the effectiveness of Nixon's ploy in Southeast Asia though. Probably right though, Obama is no JFK. You do remember the Cuban missile crisis, right?

Remember when the United States and the President were once considered the World's policeman? Yesterday, Russia's unilateral bombing in Syria provided a reminder of our current clout. We're the World's high school guidance counselor.

Allegedly overheard at the Pentagon:

"Right now, we are Putin's prison bitch."
Gary

Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
Oct 1, 2015 - 05:31am PT
If the feds were subsidizing a profitable company that made bullets

What do you mean "if"?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Oct 1, 2015 - 05:52am PT
Apologies if this has been already discussed.

Why doesn't Planned Parenthood set up separate for-profit abortion centers? They could put an end to this ongoing headache. Considering how many people are strongly pro-choice, it shouldn't be too difficult for PP to raise money from private sources... if needed. I tend to think that wouldn't be necessary. PP abortion centers should be able to take care of all patients, while making a decent profit.

The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Oct 1, 2015 - 06:59am PT
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca

Sep 30, 2015 - 11:13pm PT
If the feds were subsidizing a profitable company that made bullets instead of baby parts the progs would all be up in arms.


Why do you have to lie to make your points? Are your arguments so weak??

Feds do NOT "subsidize" PP, they CONTRACT with them, to provide a service.




Gee KenM, isn't any clearer than this...




Organizations like Planned Parenthood often use Title X grants to subsidize birth control, STD screenings, and other reproductive health services for low-income patients who may lack health insurance coverage.

Planned Parenthood receives Title X funds both directly from the federal government and from states, which will sometimes make the nonprofit's health center a subgrantee for the dollars they receive from the federal government.
http://www.vox.com/2015/7/22/9013565/planned-parenthood-government-funding


To add to the discussion of whether Planned Parenthood should continue to be funded, let’s consider five truths about an industry that receives more than $360 million in taxpayer subsidies annually.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/265590/five-truths-about-planned-parenthood-charmaine-yoest




Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2015 - 07:18am PT
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/29/tom-cole/there-planned-parenthood-funding-bill-stops-govern/



"The thing is, most of Planned Parenthood's funding comes from Medicaid reimbursements, which means women go to Planned Parenthood clinics for care, and Medicaid gets the bill. No Republican was able to explain how the Boys and Girls Club was going to help Medicaid patients in need of Pap smears. As with the mammogram argument, they were implying that women shouldn't be using the slutty health care Planned Parenthood provides in the first place."

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/4-dumbest-arguments-for-defunding-planned-parenthood-20150929#ixzz3nKIo6MP5
Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook



Ken is right for the most part. The right wing attack on the poor continues.
dirtbag

climber
Oct 1, 2015 - 07:48am PT
Some of you vastly overestimate Putin.

Largely, he is wagging the dog. Dog waggers are not strong.

Many of you bashing Obama over Putin voted for this guy twice:


I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy.



The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Oct 1, 2015 - 08:08am PT
Ken is right for the most part.

Ahhhhhhh..... NOT!




For the most part.





BUT!


PP is under Contract with selected Private Health Insurance Providers and the pateints under Obamacare can get "subsidized" 100% for the services per the stipulations in ACA.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 1, 2015 - 08:30am PT
You can parse words all you want, but I have no problem with taxpayer $ going towards PP, in whatever method.

Better to have women (& their partners) have the resources they need to make better parenting decisions, rather than deal with the ramifications of more hungry, sick kids running around society.

Of course, for Republicans, this is yet another hypocrisy issue: oppose anything related to women's control over their own bodies, then force them to carry that baby to term no matter what the circumstance of pregnancy, and then don't provide any kind of assistance to their families when there are kids running around in poverty. You guys are sick. Really sick.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 1, 2015 - 08:35am PT
The goal posts get moved again.


EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Oct 1, 2015 - 08:35am PT
Some of you vastly overestimate Putin.

Largely, he is wagging the dog. Dog waggers are not strong.

Yet, he regularly sticks it to Obama.

And Obama just takes it.

dirtbag

climber
Oct 1, 2015 - 08:37am PT
What would you like him to do?

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 1, 2015 - 08:40am PT
I'd like to see Obama quit taking Putin's pawn sacs cause it always costs Obama a piece.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Oct 1, 2015 - 08:40am PT
Stop being the patsy.
philo

climber
Oct 1, 2015 - 08:46am PT
Those of you who are hand wringers whining about how Obama is Putin's lapbitch haven't been paying attention to International Geo-Political realities. Obama has Putin by the short curlies and he knows it. No Obama isn't going to do anything about the Crimea and why would or should he? Some of you really need to expand your sources of information. May I suggest trying the FM dial.
dirtbag

climber
Oct 1, 2015 - 08:49am PT
Stop being the patsy.

How?

I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm curious what you guys want. Should he talk tougher? Drop more bombs?

Putin is a dickhead and a PITA, but he and Russia are not as strong as they appear.
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 1, 2015 - 11:50am PT
Speaking of Patsies, online conservative magazine The Federalist, published a scathing criticism of House Republicans doing an incredibly inept job of grilling and humiliating Planned Parenthood head Cecile Richards.

If for some reason you needed additional evidence that the Republican Party was deeply incompetent, unprepared, uncoordinated, inexcusably lazy, then try watching Cecile Richards’ appearance in front of congress yesterday.


Chances that anyone is defunding Planned Parenthood are remote, if there’s any at all. And, yes, the base often has unrealistic expectations about what Congress can do without the presidency. But if you can’t do a better job in these skirmishes, the ones that lay the groundwork for future battles, you’re projecting ineptness. Or, in this case, you’re proving it.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/30/the-gop-is-overmatched/

I think it is great fun to have a conservative intellectual rip on his elected Republican Congressmen.

More Please!
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