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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 15, 2015 - 09:08am PT
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Wow. That was a serious dick post New World Conspiracy2.
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philo
Trad climber
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May 15, 2015 - 09:12am PT
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What is the official term for pointing out flaws in logic and inconsistencies in beliefs?
House Republican: Pope should stay out of politics
By Steve Benen
It was just five months ago that Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) said he wants leaders from the faith community to “rise up and engage America in the public square with Biblical values.” The likely Republican presidential candidate added, “The time has come for pastors to lead the way and reset the course of American governance.”
This is not an uncommon sentiment in GOP politics. As the party continues to move sharply to the right, Republican hostility towards church-state separation has become the norm. In culture-war debates over gay rights and reproductive rights, for example, the right routinely argues that policymakers should heed the appeals from religious leaders.
More generally, conservatives express alarm about the left trying to push voices from the faith community “out of the public square.” It’s these religious leaders, the GOP argues, that should help guide public debate.
With this in mind, it seemed almost miraculous to see this Politico piece yesterday.
After Pope Francis moved to recognize a Palestinian state, some gung-ho defenders of Israel suggested the pontiff should stick to preaching and stay out of politics.
“It’s interesting how the Vatican has gotten so political when ultimately the Vatican ought to be working to lead people to Jesus Christ and salvation, and that’s what the Church is supposed to do,” said Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-S.C.), a hawkish defender of Israel.
Note, a variety of lawmakers expressed public disagreement – and in some cases, deep disappointment – with Pope Francis’s move towards officially recognizing Palestinians. And to be sure, there’s nothing wrong with a spirited debate, with some American policymakers on one side and the Catholic leader on the other.
But that’s not what Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-S.C.) said, exactly. Rather, he suggested Pope Francis should stay out of the debate altogether – the Vatican can focus on spiritual matters, the South Carolinian argued, and stay out of politics.
Imagine that. When church leaders condemn abortion, congressional Republicans shout, “Amen.” When the pope enters a foreign policy debate, suddenly we effectively hear, “Mind your own business, padre.”
Indeed, when President Reagan worked with Pope John Paul II on a variety of issues, Republicans saw it as an important diplomatic partnership. But now that it’s President Obama and Pope Francis who are often aligned – on climate change, on Iran nuclear talks, on diplomacy with Cuba, on economic inequality, on pay equity for women – and some GOP officials suddenly aren’t pleased at all with the Vatican’s interest in contemporary politics.
Over at Daily Kos, Laura Clawson added, “Republicans have shown time and time again that they have no problem whatsoever with religion in politics. Now we know how particular they are about whose religion and whose politics. Catholic leaders in politics are fine as long as they’re threatening to deny communion to Democrats over abortion, but let a pope talk about economic inequality and poverty and suddenly Republicans discover that they’d really prefer it if religious leaders would keep quiet and let politicians speak for them.”
Francis will deliver a speech to a joint session of Congress in the fall, at the invitation of House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio). It’s bound to be interesting.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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May 15, 2015 - 09:18am PT
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New World Order 2, you have a serious case of post hoc ergo proctor hoc. And unfortunately no vaccine can prevent that.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 15, 2015 - 09:23am PT
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F*#k your links fear world 2
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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May 15, 2015 - 09:23am PT
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Philo, I think it might be cognitive dissonance.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 15, 2015 - 09:31am PT
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It's about time.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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May 15, 2015 - 09:32am PT
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Jesus Christ, popes, poisonous vaccines, tunnels, firearms.
All in one place.
Kinda like Walmart(and I like the smaller hermit-crab 'marts that used a previously abandoned shell of some other box store)...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 15, 2015 - 10:00am PT
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NWO2, apology accepted, that was good of you. I owe you a beer, or a lemonade. ;-)
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 15, 2015 - 10:13am PT
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Has Texas been invaded yet???
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philo
Trad climber
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May 15, 2015 - 10:32am PT
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Well I am serious about my earlier question.
How many guns has Obama's jack booted thugs rounded up or confiscated in the past seven years? tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions?. The National total must be staggering and is probably why they needed to dig all those WalMart tunnels for storage.
But I'm really only interested in cases closer to home. How many ST posters have had their guns taken away?
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philo
Trad climber
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May 15, 2015 - 10:46am PT
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^^^ No
How many guns has Obama's jack booted thugs rounded up or confiscated in the past seven years?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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May 15, 2015 - 10:59am PT
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That's a very nice thing to offer, jrig.
And this statement of yours is right on, too (minus the ad hominems):
"Nobody's come for your gunz. You're all maniacally overreacting to your own imagined boogeymen conjured up in your schizophrenic, pea-brained, irrational reality!" "
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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May 15, 2015 - 11:25am PT
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I'm new here, so I'll bite:
1) No weapons confiscated.
2) Don't own any and never will. I hate them and won't have them in my house.
3) Never been a victim.
4) None. Had my bike stolen once.
5) Not me. I did once, in my youth, punch a guy in the face.
6) Never. Did find a gun in my garbage can once; my nutty housemate, D. E. Bear Sandahl, took it apart and couldn't get it together again, so he threw it in the trash.
7) No weapon so no accident. I didn't let my daughter play at the houses of friends who owned guns.
So I guess, from this sample of one, Obama isn't confiscating anything.
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philo
Trad climber
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May 15, 2015 - 11:48am PT
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Once more for clarity of my original question.
Third time is the charm. I hope.
May 15, 2015 - 10:32am PT
Well I am serious about my earlier question.
How many guns has Obama's jack booted thugs rounded up or confiscated in the past seven years?
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philo
Trad climber
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May 15, 2015 - 11:57am PT
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Just as many have often modified my original intent.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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May 15, 2015 - 12:01pm PT
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1. How many ST users have had their weapons confiscated?
none, ever
2. How many ST users own firearms?
I own several.
3. How many ST users have been a victim of violent crime?
not me
4. How many of those crimes involved firearms against the victim?
N/A
5. How many ST users have personally used a firearm in self-defense?
never, it's a fools game.
6. How many ST users have had a firearm stolen? Recovered?
nadda
7. How many St users have had an accident/incident involving firearms, not crime-related?
Had a bullet zing by my ear when a dude thought my
dog was a wolf and didn't see me
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 15, 2015 - 12:05pm PT
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How many ST users have had a firearm stolen? Recovered?
Not me but I know of one. I don't really see how much relevance that has to
the price of beans but I'm a little dense sometimes.
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab or In What Time Zone Am I?
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May 15, 2015 - 12:12pm PT
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Someone come for my RedRyder there will be hell to pay. My birthday present for turning 12.
My .22 (14th birthday) and 30.06 (16th birthday) I got rid of a long time ago. Yes I was born and raised in Western Pa. The only bible I got was at confirmation when I was 12. I preferred my RedRyder.
Susan
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WBraun
climber
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May 15, 2015 - 12:14pm PT
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Jade Helm is coming!!!
Run for yer lives.
Turn yer guns in!!!
Implant yer RFID into yer head!!!!
Drink mo fluoride and cool aid !!!
or you'll be taken to the WalMart to be exterminated or FEMA'ed to death?
Be scared, be very scared ..... Muahahaha .....
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