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dirtbag
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Jul 20, 2015 - 12:09pm PT
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I can't criticize McCain for providing information while being tortured.
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Ksolem
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Monrovia, California
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Jul 20, 2015 - 01:14pm PT
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Since we seem to be on Trump for a minute, here are my observations.
His comments about McCain were politically stupid. He's like a guy who walks into a bar looking for a fight for the hell of it. McCain is not in the race for the Rep. nomination, so why would The Donald want to pick a fight with him?
Less prominent in the media, but probably much more significant in the Iowa primary, are his comments when asked a question by pollster Frank Lunz. "Have you ever asked God for forgiveness?" After five minutes of bloviating about how he loved his pastor Norman Vincent Peal (who died in his 90's in 1993) Lunz asked again. Trump's answer: "No." That's pretty much the end of the road in Iowa. Game over, I hope.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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apogee
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Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jul 20, 2015 - 01:20pm PT
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Trump is doing nothing but shameless self-promotion with all of this bloviating. He has no real intent or interest in actually winning the WH, but he knows damn well that all of the media attention he's getting from this will go a long ways in furthering his usual self-promotion business interests. There's no such thing as bad publicity!
In the meantime, the GOP does everything they can disassociate themselves, knowing that his shenanigans basically make extremists like Cruz look good by comparison. Trump's spewing is good for everybody!
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jul 20, 2015 - 01:24pm PT
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The Republicans led a whole giant lying smear campaign against the decorated war hero John Kerry.
The Swift Boaters
All lies, and supported and spread like butter by the Republican party to take down Kerry on his one strength, his war record.
These Republicans are just hypocrites to the nth degree.
They have done everything possible to make veterans lives worse.
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Norton
Social climber
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Jul 20, 2015 - 01:43pm PT
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Trump's spewing is good for everybody!
especially so for the Democrats
his comments, along with countless other ignorant utterances from other Republicans
over the years, continue to reinforce Republican Senator Lindsey Graham's own words
while describing his political party as "The Stupid Party"
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WBraun
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Jul 20, 2015 - 02:22pm PT
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Trump's comments about McCain were politically stupid.
maybe so and maybe not.
But McCain has been allowed to destroy America’s security for two generations along with his criminal friend Lindsy G.
And what to speak of the sh!t he pulled in Ukraine with Victoria Nuland another huge criminal along with recruiting ISIS.
Anything to expose that aszhole criminal John McCain is good.
He should arrested and he's is NO war HERO ......
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Jul 20, 2015 - 02:46pm PT
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His comments about McCain were politically stupid. He's like a guy who walks into a bar looking for a fight for the hell of it. McCain is not in the race for the Rep. nomination, so why would The Donald want to pick a fight with him?
This maneuver got him on the front page of every newspaper in America, and on every news program in existence.
He succeeded.
I don't know what his actual agenda might be, but the more he keeps the unknowns out of the media (there is only so much space to report on Republicans), they are losing ground and becoming weaker. This works to the benefit of those with huge money, like Bush, or huge name recognition, like Christie or Perry. The rest have to get their names out there, and can only do it through making news, which they can't do while Trump is sucking the oxygen out of the room, or with money-created media, which they can't do if they don't have it.
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 12, 2015 - 07:30am PT
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This just in: there are 15.8 million fewer uninsured Americans since 2013.
Obamacare has been a complete failure.
mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/us/number-of-uninsured-has-declined-by-15-million-since-2013-administration-says.html
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Aug 12, 2015 - 07:54am PT
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The number of newly insured is impressive. Definitely worth celebrating. About a third of those uninsured back in '09.
What about the 29 million Americans who still don't have any health insurance at all?
What's it going to take to insure them?
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 12, 2015 - 07:56am PT
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Well, it would still be 45 million uninsured if you and your fellow right wingers had their way.
Suck on that.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Aug 12, 2015 - 08:02am PT
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15 million less than before EddieT, and it will continue to improve.
The previous system sure as hell wasn't working. You do realize that most "advanced" countries don't have this much trouble providing care for their citizens, right?
But hey, we're better than Slovenia and Cuba!!
World Health Organization Ranking; The World’s Health Systems
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 USA
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland
51 Dominican Republic
52 Tunisia
53 Jamaica
54 Venezuela
55 Albania
56 Seychelles
57 Paraguay
58 South Korea
59 Senegal
60 Philippines
61 Mexico
62 Slovakia
63 Egypt
64 Kazakhstan 65 Uruguay
66 Hungary
67 Trinidad and Tobago
68 Saint Lucia
69 Belize
70 Turkey
71 Nicaragua
72 Belarus
73 Lithuania
74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
75 Argentina
76 Sri Lanka
77 Estonia
78 Guatemala
79 Ukraine
80 Solomon Islands
81 Algeria
82 Palau
83 Jordan
84 Mauritius
85 Grenada
86 Antigua and Barbuda
87 Libya
88 Bangladesh
89 Macedonia
90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
91 Lebanon
92 Indonesia
93 Iran
94 Bahamas
95 Panama
96 Fiji
97 Benin
98 Nauru
99 Romania
100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
101 Moldova
102 Bulgaria
103 Iraq
104 Armenia
105 Latvia
106 Yugoslavia
107 Cook Islands
108 Syria
109 Azerbaijan
110 Suriname
111 Ecuador
112 India
113 Cape Verde
114 Georgia
115 El Salvador
116 Tonga
117 Uzbekistan
118 Comoros
119 Samoa
120 Yemen
121 Niue
122 Pakistan
123 Micronesia
124 Bhutan
125 Brazil
126 Bolivia
127 Vanuatu 128 Guyana
129 Peru
130 Russia
131 Honduras
132 Burkina Faso
133 Sao Tome and Principe
134 Sudan
135 Ghana
136 Tuvalu
137 Ivory Coast
138 Haiti
139 Gabon
140 Kenya
141 Marshall Islands
142 Kiribati
143 Burundi
144 China
145 Mongolia
146 Gambia
147 Maldives
148 Papua New Guinea
149 Uganda
150 Nepal
151 Kyrgystan
152 Togo
153 Turkmenistan
154 Tajikistan
155 Zimbabwe
156 Tanzania
157 Djibouti
158 Eritrea
159 Madagascar
160 Vietnam
161 Guinea
162 Mauritania
163 Mali
164 Cameroon
165 Laos
166 Congo
167 North Korea
168 Namibia
169 Botswana
170 Niger
171 Equatorial Guinea
172 Rwanda
173 Afghanistan
174 Cambodia
175 South Africa
176 Guinea-Bissau
177 Swaziland
178 Chad
179 Somalia
180 Ethiopia
181 Angola
182 Zambia
183 Lesotho
184 Mozambique
185 Malawi
186 Liberia
187 Nigeria
188 Democratic Republic of the Congo
189 Central African Republic
190 Myanmar
Source: World Health Organization
Pretty sad showing for supposedly the greatest nation on Earth....
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Aug 12, 2015 - 08:15am PT
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Hey Survival - Got any data/rankings for this century?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Aug 12, 2015 - 08:57am PT
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Nice comeback swifty!
I did see a post on that thread from 2010, but most of the comments are only a year old.
That's not fresh enough for you? Besides, your playground response misses the point entirely.
Here's one from 2014 that ranks USA last out of the 11 wealthy countries studied, despite having the most expensive health care in the world.
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2014/jun/mirror-mirror
Still a pretty sad showing for supposedly the greatest country on Earth.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Aug 12, 2015 - 09:09am PT
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Nice comeback swifty!
I did see a post on that thread from 2010, but most of the comments are only a year old.
That's not fresh enough for you? Besides, your playground response misses the point entirely.
Thread?
Comments a year old?
The WHO ranking you posted is over 15 years old.
What's your point?
Other than stating the obvious?
Is Obamacare improving our ranking?
Sketch wrote: What about the 29 million Americans who still don't have any health insurance at all?
What's it going to take to insure them?
Look in the mirror.
I took your advice. Did more people get insurance?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Aug 12, 2015 - 10:13am PT
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Don't worry Eddie, THE HAIR will fix everything!
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Aug 12, 2015 - 10:59am PT
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two thoughts Mr. Thompson
first, your hypocrisy is front on center, given that you were loudly against the expansion
of healthcare and opposed the ACA from day one
you clearly don't give a damn if one or 10 million more Americans get health insurance,
so don't play that you are "concerned"
Secondly, stop asking me or anyone else to do for you what anyone with an internet connection knows how to do, look up answers in .5 tenths of a second using "search"
grow up Edward, its time
Look at you... telling me to grow up, while taking the low road. Talk about hypocrisy.
Instead of acting like the answer easily obtained, why not just post an article?
Hmm.
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 12, 2015 - 12:02pm PT
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Wow, excellent points, Edward. I can tell you put a lot of thought into that post.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 12, 2015 - 12:56pm PT
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So, why didn't those 29 million sign up? I'd really like to know.
Do they like being uninsured?
Do they object to being told what's good for them?
Do they enjoy going to the ER for their primary care?
Was filling out all the paperwork too daunting?
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