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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Sep 12, 2012 - 12:01am PT
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Norton- Then why do people say proudly they are "god fearing"?
God "fearing" is about reverence, profound awe, respect and adoration! It is not a fear of eternal punishment, damnation or whatever. We are chastised from time to time. And that is out of love not hate. For lack of a better example, we are like sheep and tend to wander at times, what can I say but that I am a prime example!
You would have to have a personal relationship with Him to understand. I don't expect you to. But maybe you can relate to this; I loved my father, and as a child, i understood he had my best intentions in mind. Whenever he scolded me, it was for my own good. I was fortunate to have a very forgiving and understanding father. If I did something wrong, or something that could be damaging to myself or someone else, he brought it to my attention. Although I sometimes regretted it initially, I new it was best, and I respected him for that, it helped shape my character!
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Tony Bird
climber
Northridge, CA
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Sep 12, 2012 - 12:05am PT
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Why is there something at all !?
always wondered about that myself.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Sep 12, 2012 - 12:06am PT
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ok for all you atheists...Why is there something at all !? ( earth, people , universe...)
If the universe is eternal then why is it expanding and dying? There is a time element .
How can something come from nothing and how is this scientific and logical?
we don't know... and it's very interesting to try to understand it...
There are people who are alive today who would remember that the universe was filled with stars, then Hubble did his thing and realized the universe is filled with galaxies, which were all moving apart, the universe was expanding, how does that happen?
then more observations led us to see that the galaxies clustered together, and that the clusters cluster... all sort of things
we measured the mass of the luminous universe and concluded there wasn't enough to "close it"
but then we figured out that there was a lot of dark matter around, a lot, and then that the universe was expanding at a lesser rate when it was young, the expansion seems to be increasing... and we called that stuff dark energy.
all this is scientific stuff, and adds to our understanding of the universe...
measuring the cosmic microwave background with precision we learned that it is not uniform, and we have inferred that the ripples we see in that background, the remnant of the time when electrons finally became bound to protons to make hydrogen and releasing the light in the process, those ripples are the fluctuations of the pre-big bang state, what ever that was, we still don't know
but the point is that we continue to learn, we're not afraid of saying we don't know, we keep on pushing to know and in the process we increase our knowledge.
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Andree Hussar
Social climber
ny
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Sep 12, 2012 - 12:11am PT
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ok for all you atheists...Why is there something at all !? ( earth, people , universe...)
If the universe is eternal then why is it expanding and dying? There is a time element .
How can something come from nothing and how is this scientific and logical?
could someone answer this ?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Sep 12, 2012 - 12:13am PT
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there is no answer to "why?" because there is no reason for it
the universe doesn't care about why...
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Sep 12, 2012 - 12:15am PT
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I know, somebody go post this on the Christian thread...
Part I: Okay for all you Christians... why don't you practice astrology? why don't you believe the stars and planets control the fates of men?
Part II: Okay for all you Christians (or Muslims)... why don't you worship Marduk or Ashtar or Isis or Amon-Re? Really, why did you settle for just God Jesus and God Jehovah when you had so many local deities to choose from - out of that time and place?
Is it really just because your parents worshipped this pair - this father son pair - this bad cop good cop pair - that you do, too? Knowing what we know about the world today, is this really reasonable - a legitimate reason - esp if you care so damn much about truth? and getting it right as you say?
Speak up Christian supernaturalists, tell us what you know. But on the Christian thread - that would be better perhaps.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Sep 12, 2012 - 12:15am PT
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Why is a Human Construct.
It IS. Isn't it cool?
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Andree Hussar
Social climber
ny
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Sep 12, 2012 - 12:21am PT
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**there is no answer to "why?" because there is no reason for it
the universe doesn't care about why...
Reread what you wrote and tell me if it is logical or scientific
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Sep 12, 2012 - 12:22am PT
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you believe in astrology, huh?
don't be afraid, tell us.
Do you prefer Jeopardy or Wheel of Fortune?
just curious
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 12, 2012 - 12:27am PT
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Ed H -- "the universe doesn't care about why..."
Since we are part parcel of this Universe you are saying we don't care why our car is not running when we need it in the morning to drive to work.
There is no separation of (us) the living entities, matter and spirit from the Universe,
Therefore ... the Universe cares about "why" ......
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Andree Hussar
Social climber
ny
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Sep 12, 2012 - 12:29am PT
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1, 2012 - 09:24pm PT
ok for all you atheists...Why is there something at all !? ( earth, people , universe...)
Why not?
WHY?
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Andree Hussar
Social climber
ny
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Sep 12, 2012 - 12:31am PT
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If the universe is eternal then why is it expanding and dying? There is a time element .
How do you know it's dying?
If God is eternal, then why is the universe dying? If God is eternal, then what happens after the universe dies?
THIS IS THE ATHEIST THREAD THERE IS NO GOD
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Andree Hussar
Social climber
ny
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Sep 12, 2012 - 12:37am PT
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Sep 11, 2012 - 08:34pm PT
ok for all you atheists...Why is there something at all !? ( earth, people , universe...)
If the universe is eternal then why is it expanding and dying? There is a time element .
How can something come from nothing and how is this scientific and logical?
SO SINCE THERE IS NO GOD PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Sep 12, 2012 - 12:39am PT
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Peace my friends. Have faith, there is a great plan at work. There is always God, and nothing you say can change that. Life is good, enjoy the ride.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
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Sep 12, 2012 - 12:41am PT
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what, you find your Christian thread too boring to support any longer? lol!
or just too creepy ghoulish: washed in the blood of christ, and such.
really, how pathetic
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 12, 2012 - 12:45am PT
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stzzo -- "But, ultimately, the answer is ..."
Your so called material science does not deal in Ultimate.
Now you're saying that God exists since he's "Ultimate" .......
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splitter
Trad climber
Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Sep 12, 2012 - 01:05am PT
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HFCS - Is it really because your parents worshiped this pair
No, my parents didn't worship Him, they didn't know Him. In fact, my father was very suspect of the RCC and certain priests in general. It was the only religion we knew, so we drifted in and out of its Sunday services from time to time. But my father did get on his knees and pray every morning and night. But that was a personal thing for him, he never spoke about God, the church (except for the occasional derogatory remark) or anything else "religious" and neither did my mother. My father often questioned the existence of God. One of his primary questions was, "Then why does he allow the little children to suffer?" He did except Christ very late in life, as did my mother. I came to belief on my own at a young age and He entered my life in a very dramatic way, it left no doubt whatsoever.
As far as those who do it to please their folks or whatever, they are out there. But, they are only fooling themselves, it is personal relationship that you step into with a very powerful and revealing God!
Supernatural experiences, yes, but I doubt you could relate and for lack of a better word, they were very heavy. But they were just that, experiences, they were meant for me and it would be an injustice for me to try to explain the depth of the presence of God and what He illustrated to me. Perhaps in a congregation of fellow Christians and that I have done. And on one occasion His presence was very evident. Like He said, "Where two or more of you gather in My name, I will be there with you." Internet blogs are not the place to share those experiences, for they are lacking. But I have attempted to share a few here, much to my regret. You can't express the presence of God in human words!
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 12, 2012 - 01:32am PT
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You said it I didn't.
You said "Ultimately"
maximum decisive conclusive .... the ultimate authority
It's Synonym is "Supreme" .....
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Sep 12, 2012 - 01:41am PT
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As in Taco Supreme?
Ultimate Taco?
Bye-bye, Goin' to jack in the sky.
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jstan
climber
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Sep 12, 2012 - 01:49am PT
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Andree Hussar
Social climber
ny
Sep 11, 2012 - 09:37pm PT
Sep 11, 2012 - 08:34pm PT
ok for all you atheists...Why is there something at all !? ( earth, people , universe...)
If the universe is eternal then why is it expanding and dying? There is a time element .
How can something come from nothing and how is this scientific and logical?
SO SINCE THERE IS NO GOD PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.
1. We do not know that there is no god. We do know there is no data saying there is a god. Anybody's god.
2. Thanks to the Hubble telescope and to Bell Telephone Laboratories there is an answer to your question. Why is there something? You are in for a treat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=7ImvlS8PLIo
Because of Quantum Mechanics, when you have nothing, you will always get something.
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