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Gary
Social climber
Monza by the streetlight
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Sep 13, 2012 - 08:56am PT
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Oh, they doped all right. BTW, the Tour website still lists Armstrong's wins.
A Sunday in Hell
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Sep 13, 2012 - 10:34am PT
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World Anti-Doping Agency director-general David Howman has welcomed a new test for human growth hormone. The test was approved by WADA prior to the Olympic Games and was used to catch two athletes at the recent Paralympics. Speaking to Cyclingnews,
“It’s a significant step forward,” Howman said when discussing the finalisation of a human growth hormone test. Although still in its infancy, the ability to test for HGH is a major stepping stone in the fight against doping. Originally funded by the IOC in the late 90s, WADA took up leadership in the development of the test in the mid-2000s.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/howman-welcomes-hgh-test-talks-hamilton-and-uci
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Sep 13, 2012 - 10:19pm PT
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Does anyone recall that very dramatic increases in HGH can be obtained by exercising, lifting weights etc. on vibrating platforms?
I'll try to find the references, but it raises an interesting issue as to whether or not it should be permitted.
Well there are a whole sheeitload of people selling them, so they probably don't work.
However,
Hormonal Responses to Whole Body Vibration in Men
C. Bosco, M. Iacovelli, O. Tsarpela, M. Cardinale, M. Bonifazi, J. Tihanyi, M. Viru,
A. De Lorenzo, A. Viru
This study, conducted at Rome University and published in the European Journal of Applied Physiology (1999) measure whole body vibration’s effect on the production of key hormones testosterone, human growth hormone (HGH) and cortisol. The study consisted of performing jumping and mechanical testing together with EMG analysis of leg extensor muscles as well as blood data collection before and immediately following 10-minute sessions of whole body vibration treatment. The group experienced substantial increases in the production of testosterone and HGH, while also llustrating equally substantial decreases in production of the inhibiting hormone cortisol.
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Kalimon
Trad climber
Ridgway, CO
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Sep 13, 2012 - 10:53pm PT
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Thanks Gary for the archival footage . . . those guys were riding in way more heinous conditions than modern day riders. Talk about bad ass motherf*#kers! All these Lance haters cannot fathom the suffering involved in professional cycling. It is no wonder PE is and has been so prevalent. In what other sport do athletes have to perform daily for weeks on end?
Get out there and move your non-doping asses!
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Sep 20, 2012 - 11:24pm PT
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I leant my book to Dr. F.
Everyone who (Lanceophiles and Lanceophobes) weighs in on anything related to bike racing needs to stfu before reading it.
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Sep 21, 2012 - 12:29am PT
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Hey Jebus, aren't you a myth?
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Sep 21, 2012 - 12:32am PT
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dee ee are you distributing copies of the book?
Lance air-riffing on Cocaine with Slowhand?
Lance after syringe exploded in right arm?
Lance simulating French journalists getting off to TDF stripping?
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Sep 22, 2012 - 12:15am PT
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Free copies to all!!! Whee hoo!!!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Sep 22, 2012 - 05:14pm PT
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How can USADA take away Lance's 7 titles years later when they didn't award him the TDF titles..?
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WBraun
climber
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Sep 22, 2012 - 05:35pm PT
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How can they take them away.
Simple
By proxy.
They tell whoever awarded those titles to take them away from Lance.
If they tell USADA to fuk off then the titles remain in effect.
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FRUMY
Trad climber
SHERMAN OAKS,CA
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Sep 22, 2012 - 09:55pm PT
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Today - UCI chief questions USADA delay on Armstrong file.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Sep 23, 2012 - 09:14am PT
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VALKENBURG, Netherlands — The chief of world cycling’s governing body is questioning why American anti-doping authorities have not sent him the file of evidence that prompted them to erase Lance Armstrong’s seven Tour de France titles and ban him for life. International Cycling Union President Pat McQuaid on Saturday said the United States Anti-Doping Agency had not given the UCI a date to expect the details, and he sounded impatient to receive them.
“UCI assumes that USADA have the file, the full file, as they’ve already made a decision based on it and therefore it’s difficult to understand why it hasn’t arrived yet,” McQuaid said from the Road Cycling World Championships in the southern Netherlands.
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Fletcher
Trad climber
Fumbling towards stone
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Sep 23, 2012 - 12:33pm PT
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The UCI is the machine that had a large part in enabling the doping. Or looking other way.
It seems that people who are involved in pro cycling or follow the sport at least somewhat closely are not at all surprised by all of this but that who don't follow the sport much or simply are aware of LA as a celebrity are the ones doing a lot of defending.
Here is another perspective from someone who worked closely with the one who's name shall not be spoken:
My Life with Lance Armstong
Eric
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knudeNoggin
climber
Falls Church, VA
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Sep 24, 2012 - 12:47am PT
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When I think about him, I think about him getting his first wife to artificially conceive, a process she was un-enthusiastic about. Then when the house is filled with crying babies he tells her that he can't train with all the distraction, dumps her and the kids. Of course, she didn't get much financially.
I wondered how their marriage came to an end,
and Google brought me (IIRC) >>her<< interview
with Oprah. Whatever it was, the thrust from her
stated perspective was more that SHE wasn't ready
for the sort of relationship that was needed, about
her not making her own needs important in the family
plans. She said nothing to support the assertion made
above. So, barring some evidence to the contrary,
I don't see the divorce as a particularly sharp charge
against Lance --who, I think, works to be a part of
his kids' upbringing.
Otherwise, on the others' --former teammates & staff &
competitors-- charges, I find it hard to believe that these
folks would suffer being on the wrong side of the Lance
machine, and to engage in all this hassle, if they were
making things up (which risks being exposed), et cetera.
*kN*
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Srbphoto
climber
Kennewick wa
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Sep 27, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
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From Cyclingnews
UCI questions USADA on Armstrong file delay
By: Laura Weislo Published: September 27, 17:23, Updated: September 27,
UCI president Pat McQuaid answers a question during a press conference held during the UCI road world championships in Valkenburg.
Source says evidence is still coming in
As tensions ahead of the release of the US Anti-Doping Agency's (USADA) file of evidence on the Lance Armstrong and US Postal Service Team doping conspiracy has grown to a peak, the UCI has issued a public statement from president Pat McQuaid questioning why the dossier of information has yet to land on his desk.
The USADA stated earlier this week that the file, which had been expected to be sent to the UCI and the World Anti-Doping Agency by the end of September, would now be provided no later than October 15.
McQuaid made his impatience known today, stating, "It is over a month since USADA sanctioned Lance Armstrong. We thought that USADA were better prepared before initiating these proceedings."
A source close to the case told Cyclingnews Wednesday that "information kept coming in, hence, the delay in getting the dossier to the UCI." USADA would not comment when asked if they were still gathering evidence.
The UCI reiterated this information in the press release, stating, "Reports state that its decision has been delayed because it is continuing to gather evidence and that it has yet to complete its case file."
McQuaid expressed his anxiety over the lack of finality. "The UCI had no reason to assume that a full case file did not exist but USADA's continued failure to produce the decision is now a cause for concern.
"It is at very least unusual that USADA would still be gathering evidence against a person after it has found that person guilty."
The president then suggested, "It seems that it would have been more useful for USADA to have used the time of the Tour de France, the Olympic Games and the Road World Championships to prepare their case in full rather than to make announcements."
Insinuating that the USADA was having "difficulty in putting the evidence together", McQuaid also claimed they only learned of the delay through the media "and not by any official communication from USADA".
However, Cyclingnews understands that USADA and the UCI have been in contact as recently as last week.
"It is not surprising that UCI would send a press release out attempting to undermine and question the substance of our case," USADA CEO Travis Tygart stated. "It is also troubling that they would claim to have had no contact with us which is inaccurate. As they know we will be providing them the 'reasoned decision' no later than October 15 through the process and at that time the questions contained in their publicly released statement today will be answered."
The UCI stated this week that it would uphold the lifetime ban of Armstrong and disqualification of his results back to August 1998 if, when it gets the dossier, it determines that the USADA had followed all applicable rules in coming to the decision.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Sep 27, 2012 - 03:43pm PT
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The Chief's thread title is incorrect, libelous even.
Lance Armstrong did not "accept" any ban or loss of the Tour de France title. Those are not things that he agrees to. They are being imposed on him by the USADA.
Except the USADA doesn't have any authority to revoke Tour de France titles, any more than the California DMV can revoke a French driver's license issued to you in Paris.
Lance simply realized that he's being tooled. He can spend millions fighting the USADA and he'll still lose, even if he's innocent, because they're playing with a stacked deck.
Read the press release in the post above. The Union Cycliste Internationale (UCI) (English: International Cycling Union) is the world governing body for sports cycling and oversees international competitive cycling events.
If they have no confidence in the USADA, why should Lance have any? Why should we have any?
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Banks
Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Sep 27, 2012 - 08:09pm PT
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Actually, USADA has the right to revoke his titles and the UCI is bound to accept it under WADA rules. The UCI is sh*ting bricks right now because they are about to be fully exposed as a corrupt organization. The UCI is to cycling as Bud Selig was to baseball during the steroid era.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Sep 27, 2012 - 08:51pm PT
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World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) chief John Fahey has said Armstrong's decision not to contest the allegations added up to nothing more than an admission of guilt.
"He had the right to rip up those charges, but he elected not to. Therefore the only interpretation in these circumstances is that there was substance in those charges," Fahey said.
WADA thinks that you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent. This is not how it works in the USA.
Lance Armstrong never admitted guilt What he said:
“There comes a point in every man’s life when he has to say, ‘Enough is enough.’ For me, that time is now,” Armstrong said in a statement Thursday night.
Armstrong called the USADA investigation an “unconstitutional witch hunt” and said he saw no reason to participate in any further proceedings that might clear his name.
“If I thought for one moment that by participating in USADA’s process, I could confront these allegations in a fair setting and — once and for all — put these charges to rest, I would jump at the chance,” Armstrong said. “But I refuse to participate in a process that is so one-sided and unfair.
Tracee Hamilton:
Who, and what, are we supposed to believe? And if we, like Armstrong, just want to give up, are we guilty of something as well? Apathy? A double standard? Drug use?
For me, if you take personalities out of the equation, you’re left with pee in a cup and blood in a syringe. Armstrong never failed a drug test. He was tested in competition, out of competition. He was tested at the Olympics, at the Tour de France, at dozens if not hundreds of other events. And he never failed a test. We know this because if he had, Travis T. Tygart, the head of USADA, would have personally delivered the results to every home in America, like a grim little Santa Claus.
Instead, Tygart gathered a group of people who swear they saw Armstrong doping. There has been no trial, no due process, but in the minds of many, that testimony outweighs the results of hundreds of drug tests.
People lie. Blood and urine usually don’t. And if they do, they don’t lie 500 times. People do. Some lie that many times in a week. But okay. Let’s assume these people really are witnesses, let’s assume they’re telling the truth, and then let’s assume that their testimony is the new standard, outweighing all drug test results.
Then what in the world is the point of drug testing? In any sport, by any group, at any level of competition? If the results can be discarded in favor of testimony, then let’s go right to the testimony phase and quit horsing around with blood and urine. The cheaters are always ahead of USADA and its brethren anyway. They have deeper pockets and better doctors. So let’s toss out the baby with the blood and urine bath water and just call in witnesses who will recount all the bad things they saw their fellow competitors do. What in the world could possibly be wrong with that system?
I don’t know if Armstrong did the things he’s accused of doing, and neither do you. I don’t know if these witnesses are telling the truth, and neither do you. I do know two things: First, he passed all his tests. And second, if he had failed a drug test, and brought in 10 people to testify that they were with him every minute of every day leading up to the test and he never ingested anything, never injected anything, never doped his blood, would we be having this debate today? No, because he would have failed a drug test, and all the testimony in the world wouldn’t matter.
It can’t work both ways. Either a drug test is the standard, or it isn’t. A lot of athletes must be wondering the point of going through testing if they can be taken down anyway, regardless of the results, even years after the fact.
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