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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jul 25, 2012 - 01:37pm PT
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I think he could be charged with terrorism, which actually does have a legal definition. It's the use of violence to intimidate or coerce a civilian population. Basically, the motive has to be to have an effect on public opinion. He probably intended that but it would have to be proven.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 25, 2012 - 01:47pm PT
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If guns aren't dangerous. Then nuclear weapons aren't dangerous either. Why do we care which countries have them then?
Thank You Crimps! I have been wanting to express that exact sentiment.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 25, 2012 - 01:54pm PT
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Philo,
You'd have to believe the .45 that Grandpa brought back from The War and is now owned by his widow is equally likely to be used for something bad as the .45 carried by a convicted felon with gang tattoos on his face.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 25, 2012 - 02:35pm PT
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This is still going on? Why?
People will love guns.
People will hate guns.
People will use guns to commit crime.
People will use guns to stop crime.
You can argue it any which way. Guns will stay legal.
A lot of the people who argue about why guns should be illegal, don't argue about who should be able to get into this country. Most are open for open immigration.
Yet they don't want anyone to have guns. See where this is going?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 25, 2012 - 02:58pm PT
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A lot of the people who argue about why guns should be illegal, don't argue about who should be able to get into this country. Most are open for open immigration.
Michael, I have never read anyone here or even know anybody, who argues for open immigration.
I assume you mean come on in illegally, we won't stop you.
And you say that people who
want that kind of open immigration are the same people that want guns to be illegal?
Can you point me to any links, sources, names to look up their posts, etc showing this?
not saying you are wrong here as I may have missed that, just hard for me to believe!
thanks
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jul 25, 2012 - 02:58pm PT
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I'm not sure.....
I think we've moved onto the discussion of low-yield nuclear weapons now for home protection.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 25, 2012 - 03:11pm PT
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^^^ I want one. ^^^
Hell I want two, one with an extended yield.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 25, 2012 - 03:16pm PT
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Is anyone here actually advocating for NO guns or NO gun control?
it seems most reasonable people are expressing their feeling of the appropriate level of gun control.
Still no answer why anyone needs a high capacity magazine, let alone why that's more important than saving even one life.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 25, 2012 - 03:18pm PT
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Well, if " Guns Don't Kill People" Then Nukes don't either.
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 25, 2012 - 03:19pm PT
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What's wrong with Hi-Cap mags? Aside from being a bit heavier than a 10 rounder, they hold 3x as much ammo though! Less reloading.
If someone wanted to go on a mass killing, they'd do it the most efficient way, or however they see it would work best in their mind, LEGAL OR NOT.
You guys ask these questions without thinking...
"What would criminals do?"
Well, if " Guns Don't Kill People" Then Nukes don't either.
That's a good argument, irrational, but good.
How many nukes have gone off outside testing sites?
K, sweet.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 25, 2012 - 03:25pm PT
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Michael said:
[quote]Open Immigration? I googled it and found this marvel.
http://www.thefreemanonline.org/features/coming-to-america-the-benefits-of-open-immigration/[/quote]
Michael, I read that link and there is nothing in there supporting your contention that people who want open immigration are the same people who want to make guns illegal,
as you put it,
Try again?
I am not arguing with you, just trying to see where you got the information for your contention.
thanks
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 25, 2012 - 03:27pm PT
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The Fet again asked:
Still no answer why anyone needs a high capacity magazine,
WHY?
Because the NRA and those who support would say you do not want to be "outgunned" in an assault situation
for example: If a bad guy had 20 round clip and you only had a 10 round clip, then by the time you shot your 10 bullets he would have ammo left to kill you (assuming you both fired an equal number of bullets from a starting point)
See, it's quite simple, it all about the bad guys having more ammo than you do
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 25, 2012 - 03:27pm PT
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Sigh. I'm over it.
I'm gonna keep my awesome "assault weapons" and "hand guns" and not commit mass murder, murder, armed robbery, etc.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Jul 25, 2012 - 03:31pm PT
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The fact is everyone on this thread will agree there are some weapons that must be illegal to use or own. Period.
Everyone on this thread believes in the absolute necessity of some kind of weapons control.
The question is really just one of where do you draw the line?
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 25, 2012 - 03:34pm PT
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With the people who can own them.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Jul 25, 2012 - 03:35pm PT
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Where do you draw the line?
How about here for a start?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 25, 2012 - 03:46pm PT
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Paul said:
The fact is everyone on this thread will agree there are some weapons that must be illegal to use or own. Period.
Everyone on this thread believes in the absolute necessity of some kind of weapons control.
boy, that is not the impression that I got from reading this thread
seems to me that there are many here who advocate for NO regulation
and their reasoning always comes back to; If the bad guys can buy ANY weapon, than we law abiding people need to be legally free to buy ANY weapon, so we can defend against them as we should never be in a position of being unequal in fire power
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 25, 2012 - 04:05pm PT
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No michael its not that we haven't thought through the idea it's that you are avoiding the point of the idea. If there are less high capacity magazines around less bad people will get them and less people will be killed. You can try to avoid that all you want but that's the reality.
Is it really more important to you that you dont have to reload as much if it means more high capacity magazines end up in the hands of bad guys and kill innocent people or police officers?
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 25, 2012 - 04:13pm PT
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...let alone why that's more important than saving even one life.
In the interest of saving more lives, I propose we ban swimming pools, tall ladders, all motor vehicles, alcohol, cigarettes, fatty foods, free soloing, etc etc....
Just think of all the lives we could save!
If that asshat had only blown up the movie theater with a gasoline bomb, we could be arguing about banning gasoline instead.
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