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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 10, 2011 - 12:24pm PT
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Israel likes to think it's the centre of the universe and can do no wrong, a notion promoted by its fellow travellers and agents provocateurs like FatTrad. Complete lack of perspective. It's really just another small, not particularly important, military-dominated country in Palestine.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Feb 10, 2011 - 12:46pm PT
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Iran executed 67 people last month, most of them political dissidents, including one citizen of Holland and a crazy man that called himself God (for heresy)
How many have the Israelis executed?
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jstan
climber
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Feb 10, 2011 - 02:51pm PT
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If Mubarak hands provisional authority to one of the senior generals in the Egyptian Army this will be going as I thought it would. Trust the people seem to have in the Army will become a central piece on the board. A weird idea that might help the Army hold that trust. Go out to El Mahalla el Kubra, where unrest was very strong, and randomly pick 12 citizens to act as a panel without portfolio to advise the Army. A Grand Jury, if you will. Pulling prominent citizens like Wael Ghonim into the transition effort might also be done.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/0210/Is-Mubarak-out-Is-Suleiman-in-Is-this-a-military-coup
Is Mubarak out? Is Suleiman in? Is this a military coup?
Conflicting reports make it difficult to understand what Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has in mind for his address to the nation tonight – but it's clear that it's something big.
By Ariel Zirulnick, Correspondent / February 10, 2011
Is Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak heading out the door? US officials and the media are saying yes (probably), following an announcement Thursday that President Mubarak will address the Egyptian people tonight.
Talking Points Memo reported that CIA Director Leon Panetta told a US House of Representatives Intelligence panel that there is "a strong likelihood that Mubarak may step down in Eqypt tonight." Mr. Panetta also said that Mubarak will likely hand over power to Omar Suleiman, who was recently appointed vice president and met with Mubarak following the announcement of his address to the nation tonight, according to CNN in an 11:58 a.m. EST update.
However, CNN also reported at 12:08 p.m. EST that an Egyptian government official said Mubarak plans to hand over power to the Egyptian military, which would give the government a pass on following the Constitution's provisions for succession and other relevant issues. (The same official said that this is "not a coup in the traditional sense.")
According to the Egyptian Constitution, if a president steps down before his term is up, the speaker of the parliament steps in as acting president until elections can be held – not Suleiman, and not a member of the Egyptian military.
Blake Hounshell, the managing editor of Foreign Policy who is in Cairo now, reported on Twitter that Mohammed El Baradei, a key opposition figure in the protests, said that neither Suleiman nor anyone associated with Mubarak's government has any credibility with the protesters.
So, it's murky what is going to happen – if Mubarak even steps down. Dan Murphy, the Monitor's correspondent reporting from Cairo, said that all signs in Cairo pointed to something big happening, likely tonight:
"With mass protests expected to resume Friday – organizers are expecting the biggest turnout in Cairo yet, with demonstrators scheduled to stream in from around the country – there has been a frenzy of activity today from the military and the ruling National Democratic Party that all make the convincing case that something is afoot.
"Mubarak is expected to speak tonight. NBC News and Al Jazeera have both reported, citing unnamed sources, that Mubarak will step down.
"Lending weight to that likelihood were statements today from the powerful Egyptian military and from a senior member of Mubarak’s ruling National Democratic Party. Hossam Badrawi, the NDP’s secretary general, strongly implied to CNN that Mubarak might step down by tomorrow."
Check back within the hour for another report from Mr. Murphy from Tahrir Square, where he is waiting with the protesters to see what happens next.
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 10, 2011 - 03:30pm PT
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How many have the Israelis executed?
On a per month basis, over the last 60 years, quite a lot. Excluding legitimate Palestinian and Lebanese freedom fighters, lots of "collateral damage" (deaths of civilians) in Lebanon, the Gaza Strip, and the West Bank over the last 40 years. Not counting the many who were executed in 1947 - 48, or ethnically cleansed then and since - a favourite Israeli preoccupation.
Israel has been at the apogee of its power, and it is already starting to decline. It will also over time lose credibility in the US and a few other misguided countries, such as Canada, and the countries in the area will gain credibility as they go toward more democratic governments, on the Turkish model. If the Palestinians in the West Bank, Israel and the Gaza Strip said "We give up. Let's form a single democratic state, called Palestine-Israel" they would very soon be the majority. And the cooperation between the Palestinian government in the West Bank and Israel shows it to be a real possibility.
No wonder FatTrad rants - he knows the end game is beginning, and that Palestine may look a very different place afterward, notwithstanding the efforts of a few fanatics.
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Feb 10, 2011 - 04:02pm PT
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Fattrad, Egypt will not be like Iran, more like Turkey. That's why Iran is so concerned about what's going on in Egypt. They could be next.
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2011 - 04:25pm PT
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Iran is too complex but things are also cooking in there just like Egypt but it may take some time before things blow. The problems in ME is that most governments are not sure how to deal with internet and mobile media.
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bmacd
Social climber
100% Canadian
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Feb 10, 2011 - 06:28pm PT
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Aljazeera's English language live feed on Utube from Egypt
http://www.youtube.com/aljazeeraenglish
A bit more timely and informed than the Supertopo analysts commentary
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Feb 10, 2011 - 06:42pm PT
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Yep, the people will not be happy. Big demonstrations tomorrow.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Feb 10, 2011 - 08:26pm PT
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"Mine comes from intelligence sources which I cannot disclose."
Fatty the Walter Mitty of ST.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 10, 2011 - 09:22pm PT
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Toofunny, Lostinshanghai!
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ahad aham
Trad climber
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Feb 10, 2011 - 09:26pm PT
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So apparently the dictator is going to delegate some authority to the torturer:
"The guard quickly told me that the very big boss was coming to talk to me, and that I must be well behaved and co-operate. Everyone was nervous. I have since found out that the boss was Omar Suleiman, head of all Egyptian security. He was known for personally supervising the interrogation of al-Qaeda suspects and sending reports to the CIA. In the beginning, he was often present during my interrogations. He must have thought that he had a big fish when I was sent to him by the Americans and Australians.
I was sitting in a chair, hooded, with my hands handcuffed behind my back. He came up to me. His voice was deep and rough. He spoke to me in Egyptian and English. He said, “Listen, you don’t know who I am, but I am the one who has your life in his hands. Every single person in this building has his life in my hands. I just make the decision.”
I said, “I hope your decision is that you make me die straight away.”
“No, I don’t want you to die now. I want you to die slowly.”
from the 2008 book My Story
http://www.scribepublications.com.au/book/mystory
more at :http://antonyloewenstein.com/2011/02/11/exclusive-mamdouh-habib-interview-on-new-usisraeli-egyptian-pet-omar-suleiman/
AND somebody's fool OBAMA calls for a smooth transition of power
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 10, 2011 - 09:47pm PT
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Is that kind of like how IPAC is the US branch of the Stern Gang?
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jstan
climber
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Feb 10, 2011 - 09:52pm PT
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Ooof!
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ahad aham
Trad climber
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Feb 10, 2011 - 09:56pm PT
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"ahad,
Are you calling Obama a fool????? "
are not all US presidents since truman (maybe exception of eisenhower) as they genuflect before their aipac sponsors? Obama does what he is told.
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 11, 2011 - 12:58pm PT
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The Egyptian military is Mubarak so make no different. US and Israel wanted to buy some time to figure what to do so Military is going to come up with the condition of the new democratic government and business will as usual with starting with crackdown, jailing all the recent trouble makers and keeping close eyes on the Muslim Brotherhood.
Yemen and Saudi will be next on the list
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jstan
climber
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Feb 11, 2011 - 01:04pm PT
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Well so far it has gone as expected. If the Army had not moved Mubarak out Friday would have been a bloody day, I suspect, and later politics would have been even less productive. The next move is up to the Supreme Military Council. The logic for them to convene some manner of citizen advisory board right away, for instance to advise the Council and assure transparency of the upcoming election, is strong. There will be rough spots ahead and the Army has to make sure their intention is not challenged successfully. The Army has been adroit. They may succeed where, for example, the French failed in 1790.
Another thing that might help is for the Army to begin reviewing the case files for political prisoners and release the egregious cases asap.
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survival
Big Wall climber
A Token of My Extreme
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Feb 11, 2011 - 01:04pm PT
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Yemen and Saudi will be next on the list
Owww, now you sound like Fatty.
Secret Israeli subs, and the bombs will fall on Iran in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.....1...1....1.....1.....1.....1.....1.....1.....1....1..
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jstan
climber
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Feb 14, 2011 - 02:46pm PT
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-obama-egypt-20110214,0,1163636.story
Boehner credits Obama for handling of Egypt crisis
House Speaker John Boehner says on NBC's 'Meet the Press' that he thinks the president responded to the 'very difficult situation' in Egypt about as well as possible. Potential GOP presidential candidates believe otherwise.
"Boehner, the nation's top Republican elected official, told NBC's "Meet the Press" that he thought there was a need for an assessment to determine why the U.S. intelligence community "didn't have a better feel for" the grass-roots movements that felled authoritarian regimes in Tunisia and Egypt in recent weeks."
End of report
THE CIA AND ALL OF US NEED TO GO TO THE LINK BELOW AND SEE WHAT WE SUPPORTED
http://www.sandmonkey.org/2010/06/13/on-khaled-said/
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jstan
climber
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Feb 14, 2011 - 02:54pm PT
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Go to sandmonkey Jeff. Then let's talk about success and failure.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 14, 2011 - 03:07pm PT
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I think it is impossible to judge President Obama's performance at this point.
I think he said too much too soon publicly and in so doing appeared to be unseasoned.
But this will be forgotten, and on the other hand we do not know what was done behind the scenes. What promises were made?
On another note, now we see many thousands of Tunisians showing up in Europe, mostly Italy, now that they are free to leave. Will these revolutions lead to a further Islamification of the continent?
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