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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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CrossTalk: Wikibacklash -with former M15 Spy and British Diplomat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSRMasdyfak
"Illuminating program on wikileaks from a former MI5 spy's view, as well as from a diplomat's standpoint."
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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"So what to make of a story in which it’s hard to argue that any of the parties emerges with much credit? How reliable are the two female witnesses?
Earlier this year, Sarah is reported to have posted a telling entry on her website, which she has since removed. But a copy has been retrieved and widely circulated on the internet.
Entitled ‘7 Steps to Legal Revenge’, it explains how women can use courts to get their own back on unfaithful lovers.
Step 7 says: ‘Go to it and keep your goal in sight. Make sure your victim suffers just as you did.’ (The highlighting of text is Sarah’s own.)
As for Assange, he remains in hiding in Britain, and his website continues to release classified American documents that are daily embarrassing the U.S. government.
Clearly, he is responsible for an avalanche of political leaks. Whether he is also guilty of sexual offences remains to be seen.
But the more one learns about the case, the more one feels that, unlike the bell in Enkoping, the allegations simply don’t ring true."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1336291/Wikileaks-Julian-Assanges-2-night-stands-spark-worldwide-hunt.html#ixzz17UgK3bW2
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Mimi
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So what if he has sex charges against him? It only adds to his hero, demigod personna to all that think he's a hero. It doesn't change what he and PFC Manning did. And all to cause a revolution? Is that true?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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What kind of World do we live in, when telling the truth is revolutionary?
What kind of World do we live in when those who do crime and corruption and get away with it, yet those who expose them are seriously and aggressively gone after.
What is their crime and charge? Telling the Truth.
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Mimi
climber
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Ron, some people will never get it. Don't even try.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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They are not making all government actions public.
They are exposing the crimes and corruption and unethical behavior they have encountered within government.
There is no reason to expose anything that is legal and done honorably in government. There are legitimate secrets. Just don't hide crime and corruption under the false cover of State Secrets.
Luke 12:2 (KJV)
"For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known."
So do your job and live your life accordingly.
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Mimi
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And you believe the honorable Assange distinguishes between this?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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If you read his op ed, yes, that is what he is trying to do. That is what Wikileaks is trying to do.
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WBraun
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 8, 2010 - 12:58am PT
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"What kind of World do we live in when those who do crime and corruption and get away with it, yet those who expose them are seriously and aggressively gone after."
That is the direct result of this age of the Kali Yuga, the iron age of hypocrisy and quarrel.
Satyam, truthfulness is diminishing,
Simply because people do not know what the "TRUTH" is.
We have all created this, it's not outside of ourselves ......
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Mimi
climber
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Klimmer, the jury's still out on this guy. Maybe he is an idealist with good intentions. I think he may also be a pawn for an intentional smoke screen release of baited information.
And considering the anti-Christian attitude here, I find it humorous that the progressive wolves haven't turn on you...yet. I guess because you appeal to the anti-government conspiracy mindset, you're okay.
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WBraun
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 8, 2010 - 01:21am PT
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"I think he may also be a pawn for an intentional smoke screen release of baited information."
That would fall under speculation and a conspiracy mindset, the same mindset so many here rebel against.
Ironic ......
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Mimi
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I don't necessarily believe that idea. I was delving into the basis for Assange's sincerity just now and stumbled on it. It appears that a growing movement supports the idea that he is a pawn. It's hilarious that there's always an excuse or another end around. Kinda like 9/11. Every nuance is so incredibly convenient.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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http://wlcentral.org/
2010-12-07: Statement by Civil Liberties Australia
Submitted by admin on Tue, 12/07/2010 - 08:10
CLA released an official statement today:
Civil Liberties Australia unreservedly supports Julian Assange's right to operate as a journalist/blogger, and to post leaked material online. By doing so, he commits no legitimate offence we're aware of in the USA or Australia*.
In fact, he is following in a proud US tradition, along the lines of Washington Post journalists Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein with leaker 'Deep Throat' in the Nixon era, and the now-revered leaker Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers at the time of the Vietnam war.
If the person who leaked the material to Assange has broken a US law, it would be the same law that leaker Ellsberg would have broken in the case of the Pentagon Papers in 1971 during Vietnam...and Ellsberg is now a US hero.
If Assange himself has broken a US law, it would be the same law that Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein broke in the Watergate – Deep Throat case which led to the impeachment and departure in disgrace of President Richard Nixon. Both journalists are American heroes, with at least one movie and many books about them and their leaking/reporting ways.
What was the problem in both the Pentagon Papers and Watergate cases? US military and Administration officials were caught lying.
Plus ca change...
As regards Assange and the Australian Government, CLA is alarmed that a government can so readily abandon an Australian citizen as Prime Minister Gillard and Attorney-General McClelland appeared to do at the outset of this matter.
CLA recalls how even extremely conservative Australians eventually rebelled and forced the Howard Liberal Government to do something to help David Hicks, whom that government had abandoned to fabricated American laws and prison-without-reason at the Guantanamo Bay hellhole in Cuba.
Now, it seems, the Gillard Labor Government is going one better, and refusing to stand up for an Australian citizen whose only proven crime is being a good journalist/blogger. It makes you wonder what is the value of an Australian passport if the Australian Government's first response is to try to help a foreign power find a charge to lay against an Australian passport holder.
CLA would prefer the Australian Government spent its resources assisting Assange defend possibly-fabricated sex crime charges being made against him. Remember, they were made once, then dropped by a Swedish prosecutor, and only recently re-instated by another prosecutor at the time of the latest leaks.
CLA would like to nominate Julian Assange for Australian of the Year 2011: he has done more to eliminate lies, deceit, humbug and hubris in international affairs than anyone in the Gillard (or, for that matter, Howard) Governments…or in the US Government.
* The US might decide to charge him with sedition – historically a charge laid at the whim of English kings – which is a political ‘offence’ not used in the USA for half a century and one formally and officially discredited in Australia by a change of legislation in 2010.
– released by Bill Rowlings, CEO, Civil Liberties Australia, 7 Dec 2010
ENDS STATEMENT
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Mimi
climber
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Can't believe there's continuing discussion on prosecution of Assange on this. I'm sure he can count on assistance from the ACLU regardless. They must be so jealous right now.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Just wait, this one gets juicier every day. I'm listening to Alex Jone's take on the matter. This should be good. I still find this whole schmear just a contrived Machiavellian cluster of intrigue and deception. One of those things that is unfortunately creeping it's way into the public's psyche. Someone will be writing songs about this drivel. Shoot me, if I am still wiggling.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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They are exposing the crimes and corruption and unethical behavior they have encountered within government.
Wait a minute!
They are measuring the stuff disclosed by the metric ton, and it is not clear to me what the "crimes and corruption and unethical behavior" that was unknown, that is being referred to.
So far, no Pentagon Papers. No Deep Throat. No Ollie North.
But thousands and thousands and thousands of pages of confidential communications between diplomats. Some of which may have exposed confidential sources of information.
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ahad aham
Trad climber
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"What this all means is that the future of the internet is being decided, right here, right now: if the worldwide alliance of tyrants and crooks succeeds in shutting WikiLeaks down, the rest of us are doomed. If they can get away with this, they can get away with anything – including legislation regulating content. That’s where we’re headed"
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2010/12/07/julian-assange-in-the-honey-trap/
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