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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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WB,
True. And even then they had to manipulate the model in unreasonable ways to get the one to collapse.
True.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Klimmer, you need to read this book.
On second thought don't.
You won't get that it's a novel and we'll have to endure a whole new conspiracy thread.
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WBraun
climber
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Mighty Hiker & Hawkeye worship these so called "experts" ....
The 911 recovery expert said the air was safe to go back to work after the collapse.
So its no surprise to learn that all of the 9/11 rescue and recovery dogs are dead.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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so werner are these experts lieing? are they just plain stupid? are they involved in the coverup?
there is no doubt our government is capable of doing stupid things. no doubt that a few bad apples exist that may be capable of murder. but i really doubt that there are that many people capable of that significant of a coverup involving the innocent slaughter of over 3,000 americans. sorry, i dont buy it.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Let's see
Average large breed dog lives 12-15 years
9-11 9 years ago?
Of course most of them are dead by now!
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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werner,
those experts screwed up on not requiring PPE to protect against all the dust and other particles in the air from the building collapse. it was probably one of those cases where the rescuers (desperately wanting to help, hey you ought to get that part of it) put themselves at risk by not fully understanding all of the hazards.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Why we are in here and suffering in these dark days . . .
Kennedy and Eisenhower explain . . .
Military Industrial Complex
http://www.viddler.com/explore/afteramerica/videos/20/
Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
The massive conspiracy started and was discussed at length in the Book of Genesis.
The end of this vast and dark conspiracy is addressed and foretold in the Book of Revelation.
We are deep in-between the two, but closer now to the end of this conspiracy. However, it will get worse though before it gets better.
I'm stickiing with the Big Guy upstairs no matter what.
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WBraun
climber
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"those experts screwed up"
"it was probably"
Do you actually think before you write?
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WBraun
climber
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Christine Todd Whitman, head of the EPA said the air was safe to breathe and that people should return to work even though the emissions from the WTC piles were recorded to be hundreds of times above the legal Permissible Exposure Limit as established by the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health for more than 2 weeks after 9/11.
Another nice expert to worship.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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I'd like to note that some of the "Anti-Truther" crowd here has been calling names, making unsubstantiated disparaging remarks, and not providing much evidence against the points nor even demonstrating that they read them.
Hardly a good tact when attacking another's credibility. You can't just wave your arms and call another person a nut and make it so when that other person is actually (even misguidedly) using logic and science to prove their point.
Hawkeye wrote
and yet your statement would lead one to believe that the 911 commission members themselves have admitted a cover-up.
i know you were probably trying to say that thecommission admits there are inconsitencies but i done know of them admitting a coverup, perhaps you can enlighten us...
I made my statement because they DID admit a cover-up. They ignored and left out important evidence because they were politically pressured to do so and admitted it.
Do your own research. I'm not confident if I posted something, anyone would read it.
Peace
Karl
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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werener,
i wasnt there and wont make assertions as to what the rescue leads were doing. nor will i second guess them or their actions. i would not stand in the meadow on a stormy day wondering why YOSAR wasnt up risking their lives to rescue some dude as others on this forum have done.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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They will scream loader and longer than you hawk, just let it go. You won't change their mind and 1000 posts later you will have wasted hours of your time.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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karl,
i totally agree that it is wrong to leave out evidence. a cover-up in my mind seems to be more sinister than that. and yes, i would read the links.
i actually read some of the links that klimmer the patriot posted on the pilots. interesting stuff. the funny thing about a "fact" is that it can frequently be used in a multitude of ways to present a variety of conclusions.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Werner, I don't worship anyone. (Except perhaps the yogi of Yosemite.) There are undoubtedly unanswered questions about what exactly happened on 11/9, why and how. The investigation and clean-up were undoubtedly flawed, and left loose ends. A few people in government may have had some forewarning, or at least should have been more alert. The government response was for the most part grotesquely inept. It's an imperfect world, and many of the humans involved did imperfect things, at least given 20:20 hindsight. Nothing new in any of this.
It's a very far cry from what happened to fabricate a monstrous and monstrously complex conspiracy about what happened, one that if was even partly true would lead to treason charges against those responsible, and possibly a revolution. Gathering together a few loose ends, and claiming that they 'prove' something, is unconvincing. And saying that the government, or more accurately thousands of individuals in the government, 'could' or 'would' do what is claimed, at enormously high risk of discovery, is hardly proof of anything.
Sorry, you guys are delusional.
As for Christine Whitman, the EPA head? Well, she was a good Republican, and there was enormous pressure to investigate the rubble, find bodies, and clean up. Republicans care little for workers such as those who clean up disasters. (The workers themselves may well have had a choice as to whether to wear protective clothing, use masks, etc.) The situation was unprecedented. No surprise that she gave the go-ahead to the clean up.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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haha RJ.
i am not certain what could be gained by lieing about my background. hell i definitely could have made something up better than being an engineer/project manager. i mean if i were going to lie i may as well pretend to be an secret agent or something... pretty funny.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Rok,
You and Klim both must think AOA (angle of attack) is the angle at which you sit to the keyboard.
You also think your 'pilots for truth' really exist. You also haven't seen the radar track from the FAA: the 757 was not in a "spiral dive" and a 757, like all commercial jets or any certified aircraft, is not that tough to fly. He prolly couldn't have 'greased it on' but it clearly wasn't too tough to hit the Pentagon; Stevie Wonder coulda done that.
ps
If you and Klim want some 757 sim time I can arrange it at Flight Safety although I'm not paying! :-D
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Rox, Klimmer and Tony. How confident are you about every aspect of the conspiracy you have suggested (meaning a probability)? I'm just curious.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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oh yeah RJ?
I wonder about EVERYTHING.
you ever wondered about finding a yob?
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Ok, since you said you'd look.
Everybody should watch this 3 minute video. REally Just this one little video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owJluP_8dcM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owJluP_8dcM
from
http://gheorghealexeev.wordpress.com/2010/04/04/the-chair-of-the-911-commission-admits-that-the-evidence-was-not-the-truth/
"....The chair and vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, respectively Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, assert in their book, Without Precedent, that they were “set up to fail” and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation. They also confirm that they were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority; and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges. Despite the many public statements by 9/11 commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded, for lying to the 9/11 Commission...."
He says they LIED to the commission. WHY? and why let that slide?
From
http://www.wanttoknow.info/9-11cover-up10pg
"August 9, 2006: A shocking new book by the 9/11 Commission co-chairmen Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton says we still don't know the whole truth about 9/11. The book outlines repeated misstatements by the Pentagon and the FAA. Untrue—the military's original timeline of United Flight 93. Equally untrue, the government's timeline for American Flight 77 and details about fighter jets scrambled to intercept it. CNN News anchor Lou Dobbs: "The fact that the government would permit deception ... and perpetuate the lie suggests that we need a full investigation of what is going on." [CNN, 8/9/06 , MSNBC/AP, 8/4/06, more]"
Peace
Karl
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Karl,
Good work :-)) I hope they look into it. Clicking on links is often times beyond them.
Reilly,
Once again I will post the links. Look at the top one. The Pilots for 9-11 Truth do an awesome job . . .
American 77 Flight Path version2 - In 3D
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3752900324142560520#
Does the NTSB report for Flight 77, and the flight recorder for Flight 77 match? Nope.
9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
FLIGHT DECK DOOR CLOSED FOR ENTIRE FLIGHT
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/american_77_hijack_impossible.html
Could Barbara Olson Have Made Those Calls?
An Analysis of New Evidence about Onboard Phones
David Ray Griffin and Rob Balsamo
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/amrarticle.html
Port,
I'm 100% confident that the OCT as set forth by our US Government is wrong, having been invalidated in so many ways by all the evidence.
Investigate 9-11. That is what we have to do. The World demands to know the truth.
Edit:
OK, I got stuff to do and places to go. Later . . .
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