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kbstuffnpuff
Sport climber
State of Confusion
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This thread is best read really stoned.
I'm so high.
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Klimmer, what does bible code tell us about the Ark?
Anders, they don't allow razors in some institutions.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and go with theory #2.
BTW...
Has anyone bothered to download the actual MOLA data and done a 3D reconstruction of that crater?
What are the actual Latitude and Longitude coordinates of that crater?
If we know that, we can easily download all the data NASA has for that spot.
There are many different data sets to select from.
Instead of relying on visual data, like the MOC images that were posted, which is often distorted, try using the actual altitude data.
MOC = Mars Orbiter Camera
MOLA = Mars Orbiter Laser Altimeter
Here is the site where the data sets are available for download...
(caution, there is lots to choose from)
http://ode.rsl.wustl.edu/mars/
Edit: Did you happen to read the disclaimer that goes with the crater image
you posted?
NOTE: THE BROWSE (JPEG) IMAGES RENDERED ON THIS WEB SITE ARE MEANT SOLELY TO FACILITATE THE SELECTION OF RAW MOC IMAGING PRODUCTS FOR DOWNLOAD AND USE BY THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY. THE BROWSE AND JPEG IMAGES ARE NEITHER RADIOMETRICALLY NOR GEOMETRICALLY ACCURATE AND SHOULD NEVER BE USED FOR QUANTITATIVE OR INTERPRETATIVE PURPOSES.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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I'm sure there is hidden stuff,
but not everything can be hidden,
and all there is, witness, is not reliable even if it is honest.
Speak for yourself on access issues. Don't assume.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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So who's seen one? Fess up!
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kbstuffnpuff
Sport climber
State of Confusion
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I have totally seen an alien spacecraft. More than once dude, and it's way cool.
Only when I'm really high though.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2010 - 06:46pm PT
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I'm sure there is hidden stuff,
I agree.
but not everything can be hidden,
I agree. Much has been seen. Much has been confiscated. What can't be confiscated, such as a massive craft flies overhead and everyone in Phoenix sees it, "The Phoenix Lights" the government just stays mum. Many images were taken of this massive craft and its lights. Imagery is physical and empirical evidence. This is physical evidence plus eye-witnesses. When asked directly, the official answer is no answer. Even the governor saw the massive craft and couldn't get Uncle Sam to admit it. The Men in Black official response: "Some kind of aircraft and flares" PPpppppppffffffttt. Yea, rrrriiiigggghhhhtt. Yet, military aircraft were scrambled and it was witnessed that these scrambled jets went right after the massive witnessed craft and those smaller craft darting around the larger craft.
and all there is, witness, is not reliable even if it is honest.
I do not agree. A group of people see a man run across a public space naked, and he turns toward them and makes some very rude and innapropriate gestures, and they watch him dart around the corner. Now after the eye-witnesses pick their jaws off the ground, they realize not one of them had the time to take a picture, it just happened too fast. The man ran around the corner out of sight. Once they come around the corner, they see the same man with a pair of shorts on and a t-shirt. If the group of eye-witnesses take this man to court, can this man be convicted of public nudity and indecent exposure? I believe they can, and could very likely win.
Speak for yourself on access issues. Don't assume.
So Ed, what are you trying to say?
Do you know something regarding all of this? Do you have access? C'mon now ;-)
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2010 - 06:52pm PT
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Yes. I know the approximate location.
But the crater does not show up in Google Mars. For some reason, in Google Mars they have kept the resolution very low, with the exception of some specific images. HHHhhhhhhhhmmmmm. Why is that?
I'm not at home at the moment. On Google Mars I have the approximate region on the narrow strip outlined to the best of my ability.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Dude, think about it....those are sand dunes.
Snow would be on the rim, not on the bottom.
Most of the highlighting you see is from the ejecta, which is mostly freshly exposed material that is lighter in color.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Not buying sand - looks like snow or ice to me...
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 6, 2010 - 10:47pm PT
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Rokjox,
Excellent work. Just got home and took a look. Yep you located it. Yea, they have posted a MRO HiRISE image of said crater. Wow! Good find.
Didn't see that ever before. They probably got a lot of questions regarding it to do so. Cool.
Well, it looks to be all natural. The patterns in the depositional(?) dome structure whether sand, or ice (CO2 or H2O(?)) seems to be all natural. The MRO HiRISE image does seem to flatten the dome, in comparison to the MOC image though. Perhaps due to distortion removal and image rectification. (I agree it does look more like ice with the extensive sun-cup pattern).
It seems they have another coordinate system they are using for longitude as you have pointed out. The one that Google Mars is using which has been the case for a long time, zero longitude goes right through Cydonia region. The significance of which has not been lost on anyone. Why the new coordinate system? I don't know. Maybe having Cydonia on 0 degrees Longitude draws too much attention to it.
Cydonia, the Greenwich of Mars. Lol.
Ok, moving on. Good work Rokjox.
Edit:
Now can and will they do that for the structure on the backside of the Moon with LRO?
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Looks like a hole-in-one to me.
Is it a Titleist?
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2010 - 01:11am PT
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For Phantom X,
You asked about the Astronaut punching a journalist? It wasn't John Glenn but Buzz Aldrin.
I don't condone violence, but man this guy really got in his face and called him a . . . well, you take a look-see.
Buzz Aldrin punch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU
(What isn't known, is that the journalist really told him that UFOs are not real, and that he doesn't really "know" that Aliens exist. HINT: DO NOT TICK-OFF BUZZ LIGHTYEAR, ER . . . I MEAN BUZZ ALDRIN.)
(Ok, that was a joke. I made up that last part regarding Buzz and UFOs. lol.)
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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So, do you believe Buzz Aldren? and if so why? It seems right up your ally to believe it was all faked.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Buzz Aldrin regularly gets public standing ovations, in part for his all-American response to the idiot that told him he hadn't gone to the Moon. Aldrin was 72 at the time. Both police and prosecutor refused to consider charging him with assault, given that the nutjob was very aggressive. And I guess it would be impossible to find a jury in the US that would convict him of popping the guy.
Buzz Lightyear really is named for him. No royalty, though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Aldrin
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2010 - 01:39am PT
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Port,
Empirical evidence matters. Science matters. There is a plethora of evidence we went to the Moon. I have never doubted that. Never. I watched Apollo 11 on TV as a boy, and remember Neil Armstrong stepping onto the Moon. I watched it live.
But I have listened to the arguements that we didn't go (I do try to look at both sides of the arguement always) and found all very lacking and distorted. Even at Houston in the Historic Space Command Center on tour I was the brave one in the crowd and asked, "Some say we didn't go the the Moon and that it was all faked. Some point at the flag on the Moon as though it was waving in the breeze. What do you say to people who point out this unusual phenomenon?"
The tour guide didn't flinch. He was prepared. He heard it before and apparently many times. First of all they purchased the nylon flags at a hard-ware store near Houston Space Command. And the nylon flags had been folded up tight for the journey to the Moon. On the Moon in reduced 1/6g gravity, unfurling the flag, the nylon had memory and with no atmosphere, and no friction the flag acted as a spring and moved back and forth, lightly bouncing due to this spring memory effect.
Mystery solved. All the supposed evidence that we hadn't been to the Moon can be debunked as simply as the unusual flag phenomenon.
I have another form of evidence, but you probably don't want to hear it. But what the heck. The Apollo 11 mission, Man first walking on the Moon is celebrated in Bible Code. Believe it or not.
http://www.muphin.net/biblecode/01.htm
"But man's triumphs, like the Moon landing, are also encoded. "Man on Moon" appears with "spaceship" and "Apollo 11 ." Even the date Neil Armstrong first stepped on the lunar surface, July 20, 1969, is in the Bible.
Armstrong's words, "One small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind," are echoed by the hidden text of the Bible. Where the date he set foot on the Moon is encoded, the words that cross "Moon" in the Bible are, "Done by mankind, done by a man."
It is all encoded in Genesis with "Apollo 11," at the point where God tells Abraham, "Look now toward Heaven, and count the stars, if thou be able to number them." "
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Phantom X
Trad climber
Honeycomb Hideout
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Thank-you for those links Klimmer and Port. So the moon landing was a fake all along! I have to say I had my doubts. Never believe an astronaut.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2010 - 02:29am PT
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PX,
Yea. You got it. I said it was all hoaxed.
Lol.
(Uuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh! Dear GOD, give me patience.)
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WBraun
climber
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Pate
"Your mouth never is connected to your brain at all is it Pate?"
"Sh#t just comes out, and you never even bother to listen to it yourself."
Who cares what Rocky wrote back there, you've just been "owned", Pate
LOL! hahaha
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