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cintune
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the Moon and Antarctica
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Dec 30, 2009 - 01:26pm PT
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Not that we want to continue in sin, but we still do, we can be Teflon Sinners, because of the Grace of God through Jesus!
What a brilliant way to duck personal accountability.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 30, 2009 - 01:42pm PT
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not quite new year's eve, I think we have another day...
...but since the calendar we use is, essentially, a catholic creation, perhaps there are those on this thread proposing a new calendar more in line with the "true" word of god....
...whatever that might be.
Werner, what calendar do you use?
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WBraun
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Dec 30, 2009 - 01:45pm PT
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Same one you use. Mine is in the lower right hand corner of my desktop.
It says the time and date. Today is "Wednesday December 30, 2009"
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Dec 30, 2009 - 02:46pm PT
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"What a brilliant way to duck personal accountability."
Though I am forgiven now and want to do all that God requires, I know that on this side of Heaven, try as I may, I'm still going to fall short, very short, but I know that all my sins past, present, and future God will remember on more, what a blessing that is! I can't do it on my own...
Romans 8:37-39, No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Psalm 103 10-13, He does not deal with us according to our sins,
nor repay us according to our iniquities.
For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his steadfast love toward those who fear him;
**as far as the east is from the west,
so far does he remove our transgressions from us**.
As a father shows compassion to his children,
so the Lord shows compassion to those who fear him.
Jeremiah 31:34-37, And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
( Scientists read next part)
Thus says the Lord,
who gives the sun for light by day
and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night,
who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar—
the Lord of hosts is his name:
“If this fixed order departs
from before me, declares the Lord,
then shall the offspring of Israel cease
from being a nation before me forever.”
Thus says the Lord:
“If the heavens above can be measured,
and the foundations of the earth below can be explored,
then I will cast off all the offspring of Israel
for all that they have done,
declares the Lord.”
The Law and Sin
Romans 7:7-25, What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead. I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin came alive and I died. The very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. For sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.
Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
Life in the Spirit
Romans 8:1-11, There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.
p.s. I'll take a day off to get back on time!
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 30, 2009 - 02:51pm PT
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Gobee, new year's eve was on December 20th, so-called. Sorry you missed it.
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MH2
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Dec 30, 2009 - 03:05pm PT
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Same one you use. Mine is in the lower right hand corner of my desktop.
This must be where I go wrong. Mine is in the lower left hand corner.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Dec 31, 2009 - 07:24am PT
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A belated Merry Christmas to all Supertopians and have a Great 2010
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Dec 31, 2009 - 09:57am PT
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Isaiah 55:6-12
“Seek the Lord while he may be found;
call upon him while he is near;
let the wicked forsake his way,
and the unrighteous man his thoughts;
let him return to the Lord, that he may have compassion on him,
and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways, declares the Lord.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
“For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven
and do not return there but water the earth,
making it bring forth and sprout,
giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater,
so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth;
it shall not return to me empty,
but it shall accomplish that which I purpose,
and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.
“For you shall go out in joy
and be led forth in peace;
the mountains and the hills before you
shall break forth into singing,
and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.
Blessed Are the Forgiven
A Maskil of David.
Psalms 32, Blessed is the one whose transgression is forgiven,
whose sin is covered.
2 Blessed is the man against whom the Lord counts no iniquity,
and in whose spirit there is no deceit.
3 For when I kept silent, my bones wasted away
through my groaning all day long.
4 For day and night your hand was heavy upon me;
my strength was dried up as by the heat of summer. Selah
5 I acknowledged my sin to you,
and I did not cover my iniquity;
I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the Lord,”
and you forgave the iniquity of my sin. Selah
6 Therefore let everyone who is godly
offer prayer to you at a time when you may be found;
surely in the rush of great waters,
they shall not reach him.
7 You are a hiding place for me;
you preserve me from trouble;
you surround me with shouts of deliverance. Selah
8 I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go;
I will counsel you with my eye upon you.
9 Be not like a horse or a mule, without understanding,
which must be curbed with bit and bridle,
or it will not stay near you.
10 Many are the sorrows of the wicked,
but steadfast love surrounds the one who trusts in the Lord.
11 Be glad in the Lord, and rejoice, O righteous,
and shout for joy, all you upright in heart!
Behold, the Lamb of God
John 1:29-34, The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! This is he of whom I said, ‘After me comes a man who ranks before me, because he was before me.’ I myself did not know him, but for this purpose I came baptizing with water, that he might be revealed to Israel.” And John bore witness: “I saw the Spirit descend from heaven like a dove, and it remained on him. I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.”
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 31, 2009 - 11:12am PT
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Last day of the supposed year!
Sorta funny because the calendar we use is flawed and has to use a cheat day every so often. Why would such an advanced society need such a blunt tool?
Cause many hundreds of years of practice are hard to let go of. Sort of like we can't bring ourselves to the metric system. I suppose makes us hang on to interpretations of religion that no longer serve and that seem detritus from the culture from the ancient past rather than revelations from Spirit.
Of course, at least some in the ancient past used calendars where the new year was marked by a real marker in the environment, like the Solstice.
Still, once a large group of humans agree on something and put some energy into it, it gets a power and life of its own. Such is the power of consciousness.
Hope that our artificial boundaries of 2009 go in peace and 2010 is uplifting.
Peace
Karl
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 31, 2009 - 02:07pm PT
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Karl, if you don't like this calendar, you can use another (see Calendrical Calculations by Dershowitz and Reingold, but you'll have to put on your mathematician's hat to appreciate it).
You can side step the details and just use this site if you want to know what the date is in other calendars.
The current calendar derives from Pope Gregory XIII by signed decree on 2/24/1582, which introduced the idea of leap years to fix the problem with the theretofore used Julian calendar of the Romans. Pegging the calendar to the solstice (the summer) shows a variation of not more than a day over 400 years using the Gregorian calendar... so not bad. It is December 18th 2009 on the Julian Calendar...
So for instance, it is the 2455196.5th Julian day, which is the number of days since the start of the Julian era beginning on Monday, January 1, 4713 B.C.E. ("Before the Common Era").
The modified Julian day (MJD) shortens that to the days since 00:00 UTC (Universal Time Coordinate) on November 17, 1858. The MJD is 55196.
We find that it is 14 Teveth, 5770 on the Hebrew calendar.
14 Muharram, 1431 on the Islamic calendar, which is a leap year in that calendar... the months begin with the first observation of the crescent moon, which is beautifully poetic in my mind.
It is 10 Dey, 1388 on the modern Persian calendar. The year begins on the day of the March equinox at the longitude 52º30' E. Though there appears to be some controversy over this definition.
In the Mayan long count: 12.19.16.17.14 Haab: 12 Kankin, Tzolkin: 10 Itx... Mayans believed that the universe is destroyed and recreated at the end a pictun cycle (7885 years), the current one ends on Columbus Day, Oct. 12, 4772... mark that date.
If you are Bahá'í then happy Bahá Sharaf, Vahháb of the Kull-i-Shay 1, Váhid 9 cycle. which is a mouth full.
The Indian civil Calendar has it as 10 Pausa, 1931.
On October 5, 1793 the French Republican calendar was adopted (before the metric system) and has the decaphilic zeal (no weeks... but three 10 day parts plus bits). It is the first day of décade II, Nivôse, 218 (the fourth month of the year, by the way).
For those who like international conspiracies, here is the ISO-8601 it is day 4 of week 53 of year 2009. This raises a whole sort of pet peeves of mine over date representations. Why, oh why do people in the USA have a mm/dd/yy representation? I've moved to yyyy-mm-dd representation, with the logical extension hh-mm-ss that lets things be organized in file lists so much more logically. Go figure, and you can shove your "national soverignty" crap.... at least I can operate in multiple coordinate systems, everyone should.
Maybe some of you geeks out there like Unix time() today 1262217600, the time in seconds since 00:00 UTC 1/1/1970.
Bill Gates cannot stay out of this stuff, either, so there are two Excel Serial Day numbers, one for the PC and one for the Mac... another example of how letting private enterprise is so much better than having some national standard...
Whatever day it is... we're past the solstice and into ever lengthening days for about 6 months...
the moon rises tonight, in Yosemite Valley at about 5:04pm pst with an azimuth of 60º but you won't see it until after 7:00pm if you're in the Valley... near full (about 97%) but waning.
Have a happy one, all...
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MH2
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Dec 31, 2009 - 02:44pm PT
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The first digital watch I bought had a turnscrew to adjust the timing. After a few tries it got to where it seemed to keep near perfect time day after day. Then around this time of year when my wife's parents were visiting, I showed it off and it was a second fast! Her Dad explained that a leap second had been added to the year at midnight Dec 31. He also pointed out that for $20 you could get a better timepiece in 1977 than ships had used for navigation in WWII.
We now have a clock that checks the broadcast from that atomic clock in Colorado and resets as needed.
Enjoy your leap second, everyone!
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Dec 31, 2009 - 06:50pm PT
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I remember when;
Question: "What is the meaning of BC and AD (B.C. and A.D.)?"
Answer: It is commonly thought that BC stands for "before Christ" and AD stands for "after death." This is only half correct. How could the year 1 B.C. have been "before Christ" and 1 A.D. been "after death"? BC does stand for "before Christ." AD actually stands for the Latin phrase "anno domini" which means "in the year of our Lord." The B.C. / A.D. dating system is not taught in the Bible. It actually was not fully implemented and accepted until several centuries after Jesus' death.
It is interesting to note that the purpose of the BC / AD dating system was to make the birth of Jesus Christ the dividing point of world history. However, when the B.C. / A.D. system was being calculated, they actually made a mistake in pinpointing the year of Jesus' birth. Scholars later discovered that Jesus was actually born in around 4-6 BC, not 1 AD. That is not the crucial issue. The birth, life, ministry, death, and resurrection of Christ are the "turning points" in world history. It is fitting, therefore, that Jesus Christ is the separation of "old" and "new." BC was "before Christ" and since His birth, we have been living "in the year of our Lord." Philippians 2:10-11, "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
JT82
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Norton
Social climber
the Middle Class
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2009 - 07:06pm PT
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How old is the earth, Gobbee?
When did human primates first show up on this earth, Gobee?
"Ardi" is the nickname given to a shattered skeleton that an international team of scientists painstakingly excavated from the Ethiopian desert, analyzed over the course of 15 years, and declared Thursday to be a major breakthrough in the study of human origins. Ardi lived more than a million years before "Lucy," a much-celebrated, 3.2 million-year-old fossil of an early human progenitor found just 45 miles away.
If the scientists are correct, Ardi and her kind were the ancestors of our ancestors. She was a transitional figure, almost a hybrid -- a tree creature who could carry food in her arms as she explored the woodland floor on two legs.
The skeletal remnants of Ardi were recovered along with bones from at least 35 other members of a species that the scientists call Ardipithecus ramidus. Their arduous investigation had incited grumbling in a scientific community that had grown impatient to find out what exactly had been found in the silty clay of Ethiopia. The answers are dramatic, detailed in 11 papers published Thursday in the online edition of the journal Science and discussed in dual press conferences in Washington and Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.
The discovery of Ardi "further confirms that Ethiopia is the cradle of humankind," said Yohannes Haile-Selassie, the paleontologist who found the first two bones of Ardi in 1994.
Human origins is a field with high stakes and small bones, and the elaborate roll-out of the new research probably will trigger debate about the message contained in fossils so fragile they had to be excavated with dental picks and porcupine quills.
"It was a sort of a time capsule from 4.4. million years ago with contents that nobody had ever seen before," said Tim White, a University of California at Berkeley paleoanthropologist who led the Ardi research team. "We worked for years at opening that time capsule by collecting every shred of evidence that we could find."
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 31, 2009 - 07:10pm PT
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This raises a whole sort of pet peeves of mine over date representations. Why, oh why do people in the USA have a mm/dd/yy representation? I've moved to yyyy-mm-dd representation, with the logical extension hh-mm-ss that lets things be organized in file lists so much more logically. Most countries use the dd-mm-yy system, which is most logical - from smallest unit to largest. As always, the US has to be different, and confuse everyone else.
It is interesting that people in the US still mostly say the "Fourth of July", rather than "July Fourth".
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 31, 2009 - 07:26pm PT
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Gobee wrote
It is interesting to note that the purpose of the BC / AD dating system was to make the birth of Jesus Christ the dividing point of world history. However, when the B.C. / A.D. system was being calculated, they actually made a mistake in pinpointing the year of Jesus' birth. Scholars later discovered that Jesus was actually born in around 4-6 BC, not 1 AD. That is not the crucial issue. The birth, life, ministry, death, and resurrection of Christ are the "turning points" in world history.
There is no doubt that Jesus marked a turning point in History. From this issue of his impact on the calendar we can both recognize his importance and also the danger of thinking we can we can extract to much critical detail about history, science and even theology from scripture.
After all, Jesus was certainly not born on Christmas, and he wasn't born on year one either. He honored the Sabbath but never celebrated it on Sunday. If you believe all the prophecies of Jesus in the Bible, he didn't die on a Friday either.
Somethings belong to the heart but the mind wants something to chew on so we make stuff up.
Nice Post Ed. Time is relative in more than one way. Space is relative in other ways too.... the space that a country we know as "Spain" or "France" has been called a whole bunch of other things during history.
Change....it's the law!
Peace
Karl
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 31, 2009 - 08:51pm PT
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Then again, I can't help suspecting that the fifteen minutes of the construct called Jesus, is about used up.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 31, 2009 - 09:08pm PT
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Some world religions, such as Zoroastrianism, have come and gone. Evolve or die
Jesus says the tree is known by it's fruits. If Christian can shine their love and light, they will prosper. IF they sound like judgmental haters, they will fade, like the militant islamists, into the previous millennium
Peace
Karl
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Happy New Year from Japan where it is now the Year of the Tiger and soon to be (on January 7) Heisei 22. As with many things, the Japanese calendar is a unique blend of East and West. They changed their New Year from the lunar New Year of the rest of East Asia in the 1850's, when they started to modernize and imitate the West. However, the custom of the 12 year zodiac cycle stayed with them so they count the change of animal sign from Jan 1 whereas everyone else in Asia says it happens sometime in February.
One interesting thing they did when they reverted to Jan 1, is decide to keep the year according to the reign of the emperor. Hence it is January 1, year of the tiger, in the reign of Heisei (maintaining peace) 21. It will become Heisei 22 on January 7, the death date of the previous emperor, Hirohito. It drives me crazy when I shop for a used car here to try to figure out how old it is according to the emperor system. Of course this is the land of streets with no names and street numbers in the order in which the buildings were built, rather than any rational numerical order.
It is also the land of the longest living people and an aging population with a pension system in serious trouble, which still forces people to retire at age 60, because that was traditionally considered old age - 5 cycles of the 12 zodiac animals.
On the American side of the house where I do flowers every week for two Marine Corps chapels, I did Christmas arrangements at the usual time, and then Japanese New Year's arrangements, and now this coming week I have to do more Christmas arrangements for the Orthodox chapel since their current Russian Orthodox priest follows the original Julian calendar of the church. Since Pope Gregory didn't consult the Orthodox on calendar changes, the old order Orthodox (Russian mostly) stick with the original. The date of Western and Orthodox Easter are calculated differently also (the first Sunday after Passover vs first Sunday after the full moon following the spring equinox). This year by chance they fall on the same date which means a lot more work for me.
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Fig's Lady
Social climber
Bishop, CA
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Happiest of this new year to all.
Feeling a bit prosaic, I sometimes want to jump in these threads.
So here it goes.
We are dating origin of human species based on bone. What if there were such a cataclysmic event that incinerated bone..... and why are there no findings in the ocean, other than pirates and such??
Again Happy New Year
from Owen's Valley
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Fig's Lady
Social climber
Bishop, CA
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Way to go Jan. Try not to think too much.
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