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Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Dec 27, 2009 - 02:48am PT
I agree with Karl, never thought it was a "fight" but it is a good argument...
...don't have any problem showing affection for Karl... he's a wonderful person.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Dec 27, 2009 - 02:58am PT
Obviously you haven't lived in France or you would kissed each other (on the cheeks of your face of course)!

I realized after my first week in Paris as a student, that I had kissed more strangers on the cheek in one week than I had my reserved Anglo Saxon family in a lifetime! I definitely received a warm welcome there.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 27, 2009 - 03:22am PT
Kiss Eddie on the cheek much and you'll be coughing up hairballs in no time!

I'd hug him though. Looks like Gerry Garcia. You'd have to be a neocon not to want to hug Ed

;-)

Karl
Gobee

Trad climber
Los Angeles
Dec 27, 2009 - 02:12pm PT
The Day The Earth Stood Still!

Mark 35:35-41, On that day, when evening had come, he said to them, “Let us go across to the other side.” And leaving the crowd, they took him with them in the boat, just as he was. And other boats were with him. And a great windstorm arose, and the waves were breaking into the boat, so that the boat was already filling. But he was in the stern, asleep on the cushion. And they woke him and said to him, “Teacher, do you not care that we are perishing?” And he awoke and rebuked the wind and said to the sea, “Peace! Be still!” And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm. He said to them, “Why are you so afraid? Have you still no faith?” And they were filled with great fear and said to one another, “Who then is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?”

Psalms 107:23-32, Some went down to the sea in ships,
doing business on the great waters;
they saw the deeds of the Lord,
his wondrous works in the deep.
For he commanded and raised the stormy wind,
which lifted up the waves of the sea.
They mounted up to heaven; they went down to the depths;
their courage melted away in their evil plight;
they reeled and staggered like drunken men
and were at their wits' end.
Then they cried to the Lord in their trouble,
and he delivered them from their distress.
He made the storm be still,
and the waves of the sea were hushed.
Then they were glad that the waters were quiet,
and he brought them to their desired haven.
Let them thank the Lord for his steadfast love,
for his wondrous works to the children of man!
Let them extol him in the congregation of the people,
and praise him in the assembly of the elders.

Daily Readings from the Life of Christ (vol.1) By John MacArthur
http://www.gty.org/Radio/Archive



The love of God


The love of God is greater far
Than tongue or pen can ever tell;
It goes beyond the highest star,
And reaches to the lowest hell;
The guilty pair, bowed down with care,
God gave His Son to win;
His erring child He reconciled,
And pardoned from his sin.

Refrain

O love of God, how rich and pure!
How measureless and strong!
It shall forevermore endure
The saints’ and angels’ song.

When years of time shall pass away,
And earthly thrones and kingdoms fall,
When men, who here refuse to pray,
On rocks and hills and mountains call,
God’s love so sure, shall still endure,
All measureless and strong;
Redeeming grace to Adam’s race—
The saints’ and angels’ song.

Refrain

Could we with ink the ocean fill,
And were the skies of parchment made,
Were every stalk on earth a quill,
And every man a scribe by trade,
To write the love of God above,
Would drain the ocean dry.
Nor could the scroll contain the whole,
Though stretched from sky to sky.

Refrain


Words: Fred­er­ick M. Leh­man; he wrote this song in 1917 in Pas­a­de­na, Cal­i­fornia, and it was pub­lished in Songs That Are Dif­fer­ent, Vol­ume 2, 1919. The lyr­ics are based on the Jew­ish poem Had­da­mut, writ­ten in Ara­ma­ic in 1050 by Meir Ben Isaac Ne­hor­ai, a can­tor in Worms, Ger­ma­ny; they have been trans­lat­ed in­to at least 18 lang­uages.

One day, dur­ing short in­ter­vals of in­at­ten­tion to our work, we picked up a scrap of pa­per and, seat­ed up­on an emp­ty le­mon box pushed against the wall, with a stub pen­cil, add­ed the (first) two stan­zas and chor­us of the song…Since the lines (3rd stan­za from the Jew­ish po­em) had been found pen­ciled on the wall of a pa­tient’s room in an in­sane asy­lum af­ter he had been car­ried to his grave, the gen­er­al opin­ion was that this in­mate had writ­ten the epic in mo­ments of san­ity.

Frederick M. Lehman, “History of the Song, The Love of God,” 1948

Music: Fred­er­ick Leh­man; ar­ranged by his daugh­ter, Clau­dia L. Mays
This Santa goes up the chimney


Our Heavenly Dwelling
2 Corinthians 5:1-10, For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this tent we groan, longing to put on our heavenly dwelling, if indeed by putting it on we may not be found naked. For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord. So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Dec 28, 2009 - 12:29am PT
To put it all in perspective, check out Peter Haan's thread with the video he found showing the place of earth in the universe.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1044110/SUPERB_COSMIC_VIDEO_FROM_AMERICAN_MUSEUM_OF_NATURAL_HISTORY

It won't solve anything on this thread but hopefully will help the religious people to understand how the scientists could think studying only the material universe is enough, and also why the spiritual/religious people think that it is all so grand, there must be something more than just matter behind it all.

I was pleased of course that the place on earth they decided to zoom out from was the Himalayas, the spiritual center of the world in my cosmology anyway. Somewhere north of those mountains of course, is the mystical land of Shambhala.
Gobee

Trad climber
Los Angeles
Dec 28, 2009 - 08:15pm PT
Thanks Jan for Peter's link!

Talking about a needle in a hay stack

Earth is so amazing, and so is everything else!

God sure doesn't skimp!
Gobee

Trad climber
Los Angeles
Dec 29, 2009 - 01:50am PT
Hebrews 9:25—10:24
Monday, December 28, 2009
http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/Thru_the_Bible_with_JVernon_McGee/archives.asp?bcd=2009-12-28Thru the Bible - Dr. J. Vernon McGee

Hebrews 9:25-28, Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Hebrews 10:1-24, For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. 2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? 3 But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5 Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said,

“Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body have you prepared for me;
6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God,
as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”

8 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9 then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. 10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

15 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,”

17 then he adds,

“I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

The Full Assurance of Faith
19 Therefore, brothers, [since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus, 20 by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,




One thing have I asked of the Lord,
that will I seek after:
that I may dwell in the house of the Lord
all the days of my life,
to gaze upon the beauty of the Lord
and to inquire in his temple.
For he will hide me in his shelter
in the day of trouble;
he will conceal me under the cover of his tent;
he will lift me high upon a rock.


Ascribe to the Lord, O heavenly beings,
ascribe to the Lord glory and strength.
Ascribe to the Lord the glory due his name;
worship the Lord in the splendor of holiness.
WBraun

climber
Dec 29, 2009 - 02:01am PT
Well it's a done deal this whole thread.

It's proved IRON CLAD that GOD exists.

Time for everyone to go home.

Baseball season is now over and the Super Bowl will start soon .......

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Dec 29, 2009 - 02:41am PT
what if you don't wear iron?
TripL7

Trad climber
san diego
Dec 29, 2009 - 03:42am PT
Ed- "What if you don't wear iron?"

Ya should check it out...it's free.

Starts with the helmet of salvation, then the breastplate of righteousness, the sword of the Spirit(which is the word of God)and the shield of faith etc.

"Put on the whole armor of God..." Ephesians 6:11.

You would make one badazz soldier!!
MH2

climber
Dec 29, 2009 - 05:09am PT
Is this a dream?

If it is, I hope I finished my homework before going to bed.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Dec 29, 2009 - 09:19am PT

There's an interesting article in the new York Times on physics research which sounds (to me at least) down right metaphysical.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/29/science/29essa.html?hpw
Gobee

Trad climber
Los Angeles
Dec 29, 2009 - 11:50am PT
Nothing is certain but death and taxes
Meaning

A rather fatalistic and sardonic proverb. It draws on the actual inevitability of death to highlight the difficulty in avoiding the burden of taxes.

Origin

Several famous authors have uttered lines to this effect. The first was Daniel Defoe, in The Political History of the Devil, 1726:

"Things as certain as death and taxes, can be more firmly believed."

Benjamin Franklin (1706-90) used the form we are currently more familiar with, in a letter to Jean-Baptiste Leroy, 1789, which was re-printed in The Works of Benjamin Franklin, 1817:

"'In this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes."

Another thought on the theme of death and taxes is Margaret Mitchell's line from her book Gone With the Wind, 1936:

"Death, taxes and childbirth! There's never any convenient time for any of them."



Solomon's Prayer of Dedication;
1 Kings 8:27, “But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain you; how much less this house that I have built!

Daily Readings from the Life of Christ (vol.1) By John MacArthur
http://www.gty.org/Radio/Archive


Deuteronomy 32:43, “Rejoice with him, O heavens;
bow down to him, all gods,
for he avenges the blood of his children
and takes vengeance on his adversaries.
He repays those who hate him
and cleanses his people's land.”

Revelation 6:10, They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”

Psalms 51:1-4, Have mercy on me, O God,
according to your steadfast love;
according to your abundant mercy
blot out my transgressions.
2 Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity,
and cleanse me from my sin!
3 For I know my transgressions,
and my sin is ever before me.
4 Against you, you only, have I sinned
and done what is evil in your sight,
so that you may be justified in your words
and blameless in your judgment.

Psalms 86:5, For you, O Lord, are good and forgiving,
abounding in steadfast love to all who call upon you.

Psalms 100:5, For the Lord is good;
his steadfast love endures forever,
and his faithfulness to all generations.

Jeremiah 5:9, Shall I not punish them for these things?
declares the Lord;
and shall I not avenge myself
on a nation such as this?

Romans 3:18, “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

Romans 3:22-26, For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Romans 8:1-2, There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.

Mark 2:5-12, And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts, “Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” And immediately Jesus, perceiving in his spirit that they thus questioned within themselves, said to them, “Why do you question these things in your hearts? Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Rise, take up your bed and walk’? But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—he said to the paralytic— “I say to you, rise, pick up your bed, and go home.” And he rose and immediately picked up his bed and went out before them all, so that they were all amazed and glorified God, saying, “We never saw anything like this!”

Acts 4:12, And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Titus 3:4-7, But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.



At Horse Flats my friend Goyle put up the Teflon President(because nothing sticks)! Not that we want to continue in sin, but we still do, we can be Teflon Sinners, because of the Grace of God through Jesus!
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Dec 29, 2009 - 11:57am PT
7^3 - I prefer to run naked in the wild

Jan - not sure why you would say "metaphysical," the article was sort of an impression of what goes on while we produce science. It isn't a staid process, lots of excitement, just over things most people wouldn't get excited about...

...the CDMS collaboration was "opening the box" on their most recent, and longest, run searching for Weakly Interacting Massive Particles, aka WIMPs. "Opening the box" refers to a technique in which the quantities measured in the experiment that would indicate discovery are "hidden" by the addition of random factors, where as other quantities pertaining to the analysis, like resolution, are not. The analysis can proceed to understand all of the instrumental affects without being guided by the desirable outcome of discovery. Sort of like "double blind" experiments... it is a way to overcome the hugely subjective guidance provided by human intellect.

We do this, of course, because we are aware of the limitations of human thought, and its tendency to see things, patterns, etc, where there are none. Also its limited concepts of reality. While this may sound metaphysical, it is actually a part of learning new things in a systematic manner.

There was a lot of disappointment over the CDMS result (CDMS is an acronym for: Cold Dark Matter Search, which searches for "cold" dark matter and is a cryogenic detector... so its a pun, just like WIMPs). They saw two events in the signal region, not enough for them to claim a discovery, but it is tantalizing. The simultaneous seminars were held at Fermilab and SLAC, and video was streamed to the internet, so anyone who knew could watch (well, the servers sort of bogged down at the beginning of the broadcast, but that sorted out at some point).

The video stream is not yet available for replay on the Fermilab site, once it is I'll post it, Lauren Hsu gave the the one at Fermilab, Jodi Cooley at SLAC...

WBraun

climber
Dec 29, 2009 - 01:27pm PT
I told ya this subject is finished.

We're all just dim light bulbs.

And the source of that power to light the bulb comes from the sun.

And the source of the sun is God almighty.

Just see how smart I am ..........
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Dec 29, 2009 - 01:31pm PT
actually, Werner, we're about 100 Watts of power generation... not too dim... if you could see infrared.
WBraun

climber
Dec 29, 2009 - 01:33pm PT
100 watts compared to the sun is very dim .........
monolith

climber
Berkeley, CA
Dec 29, 2009 - 02:07pm PT
What Darwin Never Knew

8pm tonight on Nova, KQED

http://ow.ly/QP3l
MH2

climber
Dec 29, 2009 - 04:07pm PT
Actually we range from about 4 watts to 400 depending on activity level.


On consciousness and soul


People have a little trouble with familiarizing themselves with consciousness. It isn't easy to take a brain apart and examine the workings.

However, you can look at an ant colony or beehive or termite mound and see more of what makes it behave the way it does. Take an individual social insect and watch what it does. Then watch groups of them working together. A recent study glued RFI tags onto the backs of 5,000 individual ants to study how a colony finds a good replacement location if it's home is destroyed. Although an individual ant doesn't visit all the possible new sites and make a decision on which is best, there are simple rules which allow for a reasonably wide search and selection based on what individual ants are capable of.

In the human case people have a feeling that there must be a homunculus, or soul, or seat of reason, or center in the brain where the big questions get asked and answered. Not necessarily so.


The Soul of the Primate was written by a South African zoologist in 1915. It wasn't published until much later but he is credited with being the father of primate studies. He also studied termites.

"One can separate a part of the termitary with a steel plate, in such a fashion that there is no communication between the termites on either side of it. Nevertheless the same curve of arch ... is built on either side of the plate."


"So the hope arises there is some purpose in nature, whose guiding principle is a psyche similar but infinitely more developed than the soul of the primate ... we are as little able to comprehend such an exalted psyche as the termite can comprehend man, who orders his own aims and purposes throughout life."



Die Siel van die Mier
Eugene Marais
1925

in English
The Soul of the White Ant
1937


Studying colony behavior can illustrate other problems of mind. The brain has to maintain balance between the advantages of fast learning from a single instance (which may not be typical) and slower learning by repeated trials. It's a question of what amount of inertia is good for the system. Forgetting can be seen as beneficial. Sounds a little like:

"Pheromone evaporation has also the advantage of avoiding the convergence to a locally optimal solution. If there were no evaporation at all, the paths chosen by the first ants would tend to be excessively attractive to the following ones. In that case, the exploration of the solution space would be constrained."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant_colony_optimization



So, although it doesn't seem at all likely that this is a dream, could it be a memory?

What if your memory was near-perfect?

Would you know the difference between recall and real?


There is a science fiction short story by David Brin in which a new drug gives people the ability to relive through memory their entire life in a couple week's objective time. Funny thing is, when they get to the part of their life where they took the drug they start reliving reliving their memories...

A real-life case of good recall is discussed in The Brain of Pooh: an essay on the limits of mind. This essay is a perceptive and good-hearted look at the human mental condition.

http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/288/1/pooh.pdf


"When we've mutated the genes and integrated the neurons and refined the biochemistry, our descendants will come to see us rather as we see Pooh: frail and slow in logic, weak in memory and pale in abstraction, but usually warm-hearted, generally compassionate, and on occasion possessed of innate common sense and uncommon perception."


Pooh and Piglet walk home together in the golden evening, and for a long time they were silent.

"When you wake in the morning, Pooh," said Piglet at last, "what's the first thing you say to yourself?

"What's for breakfast?" said Pooh. "What do you say, Piglet?"

"I say, I wonder what's going to happen exciting today?" said Piglet.

Pooh nodded thoughtfully.

"It's the same thing," he said.















Gobee

Trad climber
Los Angeles
Dec 30, 2009 - 12:05pm PT
WOW, it's New Years Eve! 2009 flew by, can you believe it?
Most people will have food and drink to usher in the New Year!
This makes me think of Jesus as bread and the wine;

Luke 22:19-20, And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

As bread and wine gives live to the body, so the word of God gives life and joy to the soul!
Jesus is the good wine poured out for us.
Remember Him, and thank God for all His blessings!

As the New Year unfolds see how God is working in your life and the life of others!


Daily Readings from the Life of Christ (vol.1) By John MacArthur http://www.gty.org/Radio/Archive

Proverbs 20:1, Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler,
and whoever is led astray by it is not wise.

Song of Solomon 1:2, For your love is better than wine;

Isaiah 55:1, “Come, everyone who thirsts,
come to the waters;
and he who has no money,
come, buy and eat!
Come, buy wine and milk
without money and without price.

The Wedding at Cana

John 2:1-11, On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Jesus also was invited to the wedding with his disciples. When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”

Now there were six stone water jars there for the Jewish rites of purification, each holding twenty or thirty gallons. Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water.” And they filled them up to the brim. And he said to them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the feast.” So they took it. When the master of the feast tasted the water now become wine, and did not know where it came from (though the servants who had drawn the water knew), the master of the feast called the bridegroom and said to him, “Everyone serves the good wine first, and when people have drunk freely, then the poor wine. But you have kept the good wine until now.” This, the first of his signs, Jesus did at Cana in Galilee, and manifested his glory. And his disciples believed in him.

Matthew 27:34, they offered him wine to drink, mixed with gall, but when he tasted it, he would not drink it.
(Jesus is the sweet wine)

Ephesians 5:18, And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit

Matthew 28:16-20, Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted. And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

Deuteronomy 8:1-3, “The whole commandment that I command you today you shall be careful to do, that you may live and multiply, and go in and possess the land that the Lord swore to give to your fathers. And you shall remember the whole way that the Lord your God has led you these forty years in the wilderness, that he might humble you, testing you to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep his commandments or not. And he humbled you and let you hunger and fed you with manna, which you did not know, nor did your fathers know, that he might make you know that man does not live by bread alone, but man lives by every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord.

Matthew 4:4, “‘Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

Isaiah 55:2, Why do you spend your money for that which is not bread,
and your labor for that which does not satisfy?

Matthew 6:11, Give us this day our daily bread,

Institution of the Lord's Supper
Matthew 26:26-29, Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many or the forgiveness of sins. I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.”



I Am the Bread of Life
John 6:22-59, On the next day the crowd that remained on the other side of the sea saw that there had been only one boat there, and that Jesus had not entered the boat with his disciples, but that his disciples had gone away alone. Other boats from Tiberias came near the place where they had eaten the bread after the Lord had given thanks. So when the crowd saw that Jesus was not there, nor his disciples, they themselves got into the boats and went to Capernaum, seeking Jesus.
When they found him on the other side of the sea, they said to him, “Rabbi, when did you come here?” Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you are seeking me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate your fill of the loaves. Do not labor for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.” Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” So they said to him, “Then what sign do you do, that we may see and believe you? What work do you perform? Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’” Jesus then said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” They said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.”

Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me— not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father. Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread the fathers ate and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” Jesus said these things in the synagogue, as he taught at Capernaum.

The Lord's Supper

1 Corinthians 11:17 But in the following instructions I do not commend you, because when you come together it is not for the better but for the worse. For, in the first place, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you. And I believe it in part, for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized. When you come together, it is not the Lord's supper that you eat. For in eating, each one goes ahead with his own meal. One goes hungry, another gets drunk. What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I commend you in this? No, I will not.

For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died. But if we judged ourselves truly, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined so that we may not be condemned along with the world.So then, my brothers, when you come together to eat, wait for one another— if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home—so that when you come together it will not be for judgment. About the other things I will give directions when I come.

Romans 5:8-11, but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

Ephesians 1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,

Ephesians 2:13, But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Colossians 1:20, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

1 Peter 1:19, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.

1 John 1:5-10, This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Revelation 5:9, And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are you to take the scroll
and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God
from every tribe and language and people and nation,


Revelation 7:14, They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 19:13, He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.

John 1:1-5, , In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.


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