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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 26, 2017 - 06:30pm PT
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Pizzaman? Per your most recent reply? No, no affiliation with with the Koch Bros. When I click the link, it brings up the middle class tax, as defined by CNBC, savings per state. Many high earning individuals in high tax states are considering moving because of the increases in their taxation.
a Tax Policy Center breakdown of 2018 tax cuts.
a Tax Policy Center breakdown of what happens to those tax cuts in 2025 when most of the individual tax cuts expire.
Do you have a problem with seeing that your beloved Republican Middle-class tax cuts, were much less, both in dollars & percents, than the ultra-wealthy received?
I'm mad as hell about the Republican "double-talk" on what economic class got the bigger tax cuts at the expense of a 1.5 Trillion ($1,500,000,000,000.00) increase in our National debt, which equals about $4,600.00 for each & every American.
And everyone who loves America, should be mad as hell too!
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Dec 26, 2017 - 07:43pm PT
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Fritz, don't waste your breathe arguing with pizzaman. Just another delusional trumpite that believes the world is flat, though that kind of logic will no doubt put him on the short list for an appointment by the White House. There, you don't need qualifications. You only need to kiss the ring and swear your loyalty.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 26, 2017 - 07:51pm PT
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Praise for the corporate cuts.
Still, myself--and most Republicans I know--could have done without the individual tax cuts. I think the middle class has been getting a pretty fair deal on the federal side. That said, I'm happy to see that Californians and New Yorkers will finally be paying their fair share as their ability to write off and foist their state burden upon the rest of us will now be more limited.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Dec 26, 2017 - 07:58pm PT
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^^^
Lituya, give me an effing break. You and pizzaman clearly receive your bogus arguments from the same cable network. Californians and New Yorkers have been subsidizing your red state butt for years.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 26, 2017 - 08:01pm PT
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I understand you believe what you've been told. It might have even been true--a long time ago. Now carry on. Be happy. And pay up.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Dec 26, 2017 - 09:12pm PT
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So that Republican pledge not to raise taxes only applies to billionaires?
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Dec 27, 2017 - 07:16am PT
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No Lituya, I deal with facts. You apparently deal with some other faux BS: “yeah, me and my republican pals were just sitting around talking and we don’t really want a tax cut for ourselves...”. Thanks for confirming that you’re a troll.
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 27, 2017 - 07:36am PT
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Like you said, fat dad: not worth it.
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Dec 27, 2017 - 09:09am PT
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Lituya
Mountain climber
Dec 26, 2017 - 08:01pm PT
I understand you believe what you've been told. It might have even been true--a long time ago. Now carry on. Be happy. And pay up.
https://taxfoundation.org/states-rely-most-federal-aid/
edit— businessinsider quote deleted because of typo in article
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Dec 27, 2017 - 09:51am PT
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RE: Fritz/Lennox
The lack of understanding of this by the Trump folk is mind boggling...I have family in Bako living off large pensions provided by the feds/state/county govs and they are all anti-gov pro trump to the hilt. The fact that Bakersfield is the most conservative city in the Golden State and eighth most conservative in the country.
I have wondered why the minds of Bako work like this...at the root it could be lack of diversity? Plus, Bako folk see themselves as tough and well, we know where that will take you...
Or...
Cognitive dissonance is as strong as football and apple pie in parts of this country.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Dec 27, 2017 - 10:05am PT
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A believe it is a combination of willful ignorance and hyprocracy. The demon liberals are destroying the country with their bleeding heart giveaways and entitlements, but when the far right rely's on government assistance it is their birth right.
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Dec 27, 2017 - 10:30am PT
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Cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias.
For Trump voters anything that doesn’t confirm their bias is too painful to think about, so to them it can only be fake news.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 27, 2017 - 10:46am PT
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Lennox, Fats, Fritz--reading comprehension is a difficult thing for you, I understand, when you're so wedded to your ideology. My post had nothing to do with federal inputs, rather, it was directed at high-tax states where folks like you get to deduct your high-tax choices on your federal returns. Why should the rest of the country get short-changed because CA and NY tax the sh#t out of their residents? Why should Washington State, where I live, subsidize choices made by you? Anyway, glad y'all could once again twist words to fit your worldview--and then commence the requisite libtard circle-jerk.
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Dec 27, 2017 - 01:14pm PT
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You are still a leech.
It’s not just that some states are getting way more in return for their federal tax dollars, but the disproportionate amount of federal aid that some states receive allows them to keep their own taxes artificially low. That's the argument WalletHub analysts make in their 2014 Report on Best and Worst States to Be a Taxpayer.
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-givers-and-which-are-takers/361668/
https://wallethub.com/edu/best-worst-states-to-be-a-taxpayer/2416/
And the elimination of the SALT deduction will hurt you in Washington too because it does not just relate to state income taxes. It also affects deductions of local income taxes, state sales taxes, local sales taxes and property taxes.
http://www.gfoa.org/sites/default/files/RCC%20Report%20on%20SALT%20Deduction-092017_Final.pdf
Show me a study with federal income taxes paid by states vs. dollars received by states corrected for all state, local and property tax deductions that shows how much Washington is getting fvcked by California and New York, or else just STFU and admit you just indiscriminatingly slurp up all the right-wing propaganda goo.
The truth is that we all just got fvcked-over by Trump and the Republican Congress so they could give a big gift to their corporate and mega-wealthy campaign donors. And the big fvck-you to blue states with the repeal of the SALT deduction might make your partisan nipples hard, but it won’t help Washington state and it will likely increase your tax bill.
So congratulations Lituya, like a good conservative, you are applauding another Republican con that works against your own best interests.
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Lituya
Mountain climber
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Dec 27, 2017 - 03:17pm PT
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Show me a study with federal income taxes paid by states vs. dollars received by states corrected for all state, local and property tax deductions that shows how much Washington is getting fvcked by California and New York, or else just STFU and admit you just indiscriminatingly slurp up all the right-wing propaganda goo.
The truth is that we all just got fvcked-over by Trump and the Republican Congress so they could give a big gift to their corporate and mega-wealthy campaign donors. And the big fvck-you to blue states with the repeal of the SALT deduction might make your partisan nipples hard, but it won’t help Washington state and it will likely increase your tax bill.
So congratulations Lituya, like a good conservative, you are applauding another Republican con that works against your own best interests.
Note there is a difference between self-interest and enlightened self interest.
You sound very angry Lennox. And a bit childish too. "Indiscriminatingly slurping goo?" Wow.
The good news, Lennox, is that it's never too late for you to go back and finish that two-year transfer degree. :thumbsup:
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Dec 27, 2017 - 03:38pm PT
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You sound very angry Lennox. And a bit childish too.
Back atcha Lituya.
Why should the rest of the country get short-changed because CA and NY tax the sh#t out of their residents? Why should Washington State, where I live, subsidize choices made by you? Anyway, glad y'all could once again twist words to fit your worldview--and then commence the requisite libtard circle-jerk.
“enlightened” bwa ha ha!
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 27, 2017 - 05:10pm PT
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I still find it astounding that anyone, but the very rich, & the very deluded & stupid, could like & support the new Republican Tax Bill. The Associated Press has this to say about it:
It's a Christmas gift the middle class might want to give back in a few years.
The Republican tax overhaul bestows an initial infusion of cash on nearly every taxpayer next year. That extra income is likely to please millions of households, support consumer spending and perhaps give the economy a short-term lift.
Ordinary households should enjoy it while it lasts. Over the next several years, multiple analyses of the law have found, those tax cuts will gradually fade — and then morph into tax hikes for a majority of people who are solidly middle class.
The rising debt could eventually force spending cuts to social and educational programs that serve many who aspire to join the middle class. Trump and House Speaker Paul Ryan have both raised the prospect of reducing spending on social services next year, with Ryan specifically mentioning changes to Medicare.
Trump, Republican lawmakers and their allies are betting that higher take-home pay from the tax cuts will shore up public support for a law that poll show a sizable number of Americans view unfavorably. They also appear confident that ordinary Americans will have no objection if corporations and the wealthy receive the bulk of the tax-cut gains so long as middle class households, on average, also receive some benefits.
More than 80 percent of taxpayers will receive a tax cut in 2018, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.
These tax cuts skew most heavily toward the top 5 percent of earners. This group — with incomes starting at $307,900 — would collect 42.6 percent of the tax cuts. By 2027, they would enjoy no less than 99.2 percent of the tax cuts.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/taxes/middle-class-faces-risk-of-fading-gop-tax-cuts/ar-BBHpYKf
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Dec 27, 2017 - 05:35pm PT
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Lennox... You could always get a PHD. like Lituya and work the drive thru window at Taco Bell...?
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Lennox
climber
in the land of the blind
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Dec 27, 2017 - 06:59pm PT
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Yeah I do kind of pity him rj; there’s not much of a market for a higher degree in PISD* except in fast-food and the Trump cabinet.
*Proudly Ignorant Smug Derisiveness
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