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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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fitty-fitty
six O one - half dozen de Other
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thebravecowboy
climber
Lost Park
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^ getting those waaaaa-waaaas out, huh? looks like fun. did you folk hike or climb anything or just brrrrrraaaap-braaaaap it?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Ron posted Does it peve you off to see people standing for their rights?
Which rights are those, exactly? The right for white men to feign victimization at the hands of government they are defrauding? Please name exactly which right Bundy supporters are standing in defense of?
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thebravecowboy
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Lost Park
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boy that sure looks like a couple non-white trucks (atypical for the Fed) in the background, def not substantive proof. who took the photo?
Its apparent that not many have actually read up on this ^where might you suggest that we do so?
thanks for obliging.
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I would think that any more substantive photos would be top-shelf for the sharing.**
And FYI, 'for you go callin' anyone limp-dicked leftists (too late), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Kahl
^willful failure to file Federal income tax returns for the years 1973 and 1974 shot dead in '83. those f*#kks DO dilly-dally, but when they come down, they have the force of law on their side. and more funding and fundamental support than the Clark Co. Sheriff or whomever Bundy appeals to.
^yeah, it might take ten years, but the hammer falls 'ventually. Decisively on the side of the tax-collectors, it seems. Less'n anyone has proof.......[CRICKETS]
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Oh Ron! Your imagination runs wild.
along with burying cows they over ran and killed..
Does anyone here, that has spent time in cattle country, have any imagination or memories of someone being so nuts that they would try to willingly run over a range cow (if you could catch one)? It happens at night on rural highways, and the vehicle is usually wrecked and the driver injured or killed.
Another Ron A fantasy, along with his thoughts that Nevada BLM range-grazing produces enought cattle to influence beef prices.
From a earlier Ron post:
It IS about the systematic wiping out of ranchers in this state which WILL drive the price of beef up more than it already is
Base104 pointed out the tiny percent of U.S. beef that Nevada produces, and got ripped on by Ron for his efforts.
I had shared these production figures with Ron last year, but he chooses to ignore them. (Or is he hiding his own Easter eggs this year?)
0.59% of the U.S. calf crop comes out of Nevada. I suspect 80-90% of that comes off privately owned irrigated farmlands in the more blessed parts of Nevada. Whatever happens to BLM grazing rights in Nevada will affect the cost of your grocery store beef by less than 1/2 cent per pound.
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thebravecowboy
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Lost Park
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^ who really cares about the price of beef? it's all subsidized (WELFARE) beeves anywho.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Ron? I just quote you as you post your most interesting rantings. Enjoy your Easter egg hunt.
Here's that Las Vegas Review Journal photo of one of Bundy's "improved" water holes for you.
I do enjoy that the true photo bothers you. Your old pal "The Chief" liked to post up a photo of happy herfords belly deep in lush grass on this thread, and imply it was taken on Bundy's Ranch.
Too bad they are gone, along with the rest of his thoughts.
This Las Vegas Review Journal photo pissed him off too.
Newspaper link, click photo for slideshow. http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/bundy-blm/feds-start-rounding-bundy-s-cattle-northeastern-clark-county
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Just turn the whole state over to the prophet Bundy and we shall reap the bounty! Waters teaming with fishes, fat calves, gold, and chest deep grass to feed our livestock. Can't wait!
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thebravecowboy
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Lost Park
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boy that sure looks like a couple non-white trucks (atypical for the Fed) in the background, def not substantive proof. who took the photo?
boy for hard-luck folk, they sure don't seem too into hard proof, etc.
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thebravecowboy
climber
Lost Park
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^any substantive evidence? Moar photos of smashed cows! Preferably with BLM tractors atop 'em.............[crickets]
^Cpt. Anderson, that photo represents the fallacy of range 'improvements.' looks like cowsh#t, mud-churned undrinkable dribbles. thanks a bunch Bundy! Some real improvements (NOT!)
I'd pay someone to plow that sh#t over and start the spring anew.....apparently there is as yet no proof of such happening. C'mon BLM tractor-men!
talk is talk, this is the digital age, where is the proof of Cray-cray BLM operations? Yes, I saw dead cow and some trucks up-thread. This no equal proof.
and yes I have seen kitties play that scorpion-hockey, but, no, no BLM cow-hockey. 'sides talk.
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WBraun
climber
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Where's your proof big brave cowboy?
Yeah right, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
You been there?
Yep, just as I thought
None of ya ........
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thebravecowboy
climber
Lost Park
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Actually, WBraun, I have. You?
[revision: apparently since slandering, I am the little, anti-brave cowboy. Still, I am me, either way. ]
And yep, that looks like a pretty definite continued lack of proof. Did the BLM smash that improvement? .......
(Ron, I'm pretty good at fishin' myself these days.)
My proof is that that dude han't paid his taxes. Which support stuff like YOSAR and general federal workers, y'know. (which I am in favor of supporting).
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Ron, Ron, Ron:
Re: You've never been to the Gold butte/ Bunkerville area, ill bet.
I've spent some time around there, mostly on the Utah side, but I drove the really shitty railroad road, that eventually was a tie track one foot from the rails from Caliente south to Moapa by Glendale. That was a two day adventure. On one of many trips down I15 from SLC to Las Vegas, I was bored enough to take the side road from Mesquite through Bunkerville along the Virgin River and back north to I15.
Lush irrigated farmland is close to the Virgin River, which is all private land, Those desert mountains are unexplored by me, but they sure look like schisty grazing. One cow per thousand acres, if you are lucky. No problem to fly them on Google Earth and see what I mean.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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What many here don't appreciate is: U.S. homestead laws allowed folks to settle on, improve, and eventually own any decent public farm land in the western U.S. up through the 1950's. Heidi's parents "homesteaded" on BLM land west of Boise in 1951.
The lands that the BLM took over in the early 1900's were the most worthless schist lands that were good for nothing and no-one had ever found it worthwhile to settle on them for ranching, farming, or mining.
Modern economics and weird right-wing politics now are making them worth fighting over.
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thebravecowboy
climber
Lost Park
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THOSE are Bundy Cattle, ran until they dropped, and were shot by BLM and buried by BLM. There were more that that to perish during the chopper chasing. Calves included.
^ straight outta L. L'amour. And yet I might appreciate the dusty paperback more for its stated (open) fictional value.
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thebravecowboy
climber
Lost Park
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BC,,,Go fish for yourself. I lean toward the conservative side, which means I think one should do his own work. I know that may seem odd to some.
Yep, communalism had nothin' to do with the settling of the west. ;-) like, you know, rescues off el cap, or FS rangers managing the publically held resources.
Or neighbors sharing a cup of flour or an egg. (which I would gladly do with you contrarians, as I believe you would with me).
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Ron! Re your post: one for Fritz-- one of Bundys water improvements .
OK. I am actually going to believe that is a photo of the tax-cheat, welfare rancher, rabble rouser, brownshirt at a concrete pond (that was likely paid for by the BLM and U.S. taxpayers who pay for most "range improvements".
You got a link, or you got nothing?
Why the hell should I trust any photo you post without a valid link?
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thebravecowboy
climber
Lost Park
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Ron, I suspect that I encountered a First-Amendment zone a bit before Bundy and co (2004 was my first encounter with riot police telling me that free-speech did not exist where I was standing. pretty funny, and terrifying, in America.)
That sh#t, that banning of free-speech (and associated action) in certain hot-zones, is certainly troubling.
I feel that there is some serious common-ground to face the man on here, if we can mend the divides. Seriously, f*#k that imposition of the man against my civil constitutional rights. This is somewhere I might actually stand by Bundy on (and elbow him in the ribs for not pulling his share.)
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thebravecowboy
climber
Lost Park
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Why the hell should I trust any photo you post without a valid link?
sources, schmourzes.
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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His pics are conservative, as in they don't show much.
Being around cattle all my life I think fritz is being facetious
as to 1000 acre per cow. Looks to me from that pic that would be at least 25 acres per cow/calf pair for a couple weeks, and then you'd have to leave it stand for a couple or three years before it would come back to what little is there now.
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