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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 11, 2016 - 08:55pm PT
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In terms of advocacy of freedom, you may be right. Regarding your sobriety, not so much.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 11, 2016 - 09:02pm PT
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 11, 2016 - 09:11pm PT
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Its that what you are doing? Calling out my arguments? Because you went straight to the ST Punt response and claimed I was trolling which is code for "I have no viable argument, so I'll call you a troll in an attempt to deflect from that fact". Carry on
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Mar 11, 2016 - 10:48pm PT
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Why on earth have we not demanded that the last and most powerful pieces of Jim Crow legislation get wiped from the legal books once and for all? The right for black people to defend themselves.
So grab a gun and go "stand your ground" at Trump rally?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Mar 12, 2016 - 12:13am PT
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Jim wrote:As a last shred of taking you seriously, please list the historical, democratic benefits Libertarians have produced that everyone enjoys presently.
They have none. They just whine a lot.
The US government has always bailed out it's citizens, even libertarians like Clive Bundy.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 12, 2016 - 12:22am PT
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The morass of governmental licenses, approvals, permits and shakedowns required to start a business today is something I wouldn't wish on anyone.
Have you ever started a business? I've started three, the most recent 11 months ago here in guberment-happy Oregon and it took less than a week to do it, none of the fees at any level of government were anything but modest and most of the process was conducted painlessly on-line. Several of my friends have similarly started companies with little to no hassle and at a reasonable cost.
Fact-Check:Absolutely false.
Never prouder to be from Chicago - the homies shutdown the bigots
Hopefully this will start happening in every city where he tries to throw a rally from here on out. Probably have to start booking suburban venues.
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 12, 2016 - 02:26am PT
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Can you imagine the chaos that would break out if there is a contested convention?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Mar 12, 2016 - 04:00am PT
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Escorts posted morass of governmental licenses, approvals, permits and shakedowns required to start a business today is something I wouldn't wish on anyone.
I'm sorry that your combination coal mine/passenger airline/hospital didn't make it through the red tape. While I found it annoying to have to keep up with my business license, workmans comp and incorporation paperwork that's only because I didn't want to do it and not because it was particularly unreasonable.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Mar 12, 2016 - 04:03am PT
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Indeed. Things are getting going
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/the-anti-donald-trump-movement-is-making-america-scary-2/
The protestors cheered when police announced the rally would be shut down because of security concerns. They revelled in their victory against free speech, taunting the furious Trump fans with chants of ‘we won’.
This is American politics now: juvenile, anti-liberal, menacing.
As lots of conservatives on social media have already said, just imagine if a bunch of violent Trump fans had disrupted a Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton event. They would be called fascists, and the condemnation would be global. Politicians across the world would issue statements expressing concern.
The global attitude...
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 12, 2016 - 04:56am PT
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You're the first on this thread to dismiss something someone else said you don't like as a product of alcohol.
No way that's a troll move...
Maybe you're not so sure in what you believe in. That's OK, faith is never sure.
That's because usually I disagree with you, but you make sense. Since you weren't making sense, I assumed you were drunk.
Now I'm realizing that its just that you don't really have a viable opposing argument.
Sorry, my mistake.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 12, 2016 - 05:09am PT
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One thing that is definitely interesting and certainly disturbing. The US has enjoyed one thing that a great many other democracies have trouble with.
And that's the peaceful transition of power following an election.
Feels like that winning streak might come to an end.
I would love to be a fly on the wall at the FBI and NSA to see how they are tuning up the spying efforts to prepare for that.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 12, 2016 - 06:25am PT
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Feels like that winning streak might come to an end.
That, is a self-fulfilling prophecy of the now far-fringe-right gop whipped into an absolutely mindless hysteria by radio jocks and a gop political class who have never been able to muster more creativity or integrity in fifty years of campaigning than to spread fear, bigotry and xenophobia. They then re-districted to concentrate and enhance that hysteria. So yeah, now that they have their base hysterical, is it any wonder they then feel justified to resort to violence. Morons, and played like so many friggin Stratavari. An veritable sea of white, middle-class, male victims whose heads would be up their asses except for the fact that the boots of corporations who use social issues to get people to vote against their own economic interests are already firmly lodged in that space.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Mar 12, 2016 - 07:09am PT
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Trump and Rush Limbaugh, leaders of the republican party. Enough said.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Mar 12, 2016 - 07:22am PT
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The tide has turned on Trump, hopefully not too late.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Mar 12, 2016 - 07:54am PT
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Trump complains that he, and his supporters right to free speech was violated when the rally was shut down. However, it's ok for him to violate the rights of people who disagree with him.
Oh, ok, just another case of conservatives picking, and choosing what parts of the Constituion the like.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Mar 12, 2016 - 08:02am PT
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Cry babies, cry.
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 12, 2016 - 08:30am PT
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Cry babies, cry.
Fascist.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Mar 12, 2016 - 08:51am PT
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The Duck has Quacked out the truth.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Mar 12, 2016 - 09:05am PT
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Trump's endorsement of violence back fired..His rallies are likely to get shut down from here on out and turn into a security nightmare...You'd think someone with Presidential aspirations would have thought this out beforehand...Good reason to keep Chump out of the White House and hands away from the launch buttons..
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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Mar 12, 2016 - 09:06am PT
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Escopeta, if you do quote or paraphrase me, please have the integrity to do it accurately.
Businesses are not people, they are groups given certain special treatment in law by "we the people". They have no inalienable right to even exist, indeed without government they could not exist, and would not need to. Nobody is forced to open a business, nobody is forced to work for one, they choose to do so, and when they choose to do so, they are obliged to abide by the conditions "we the people" apply in return for that preferential treatment in law. There are sound economic, social or moral arguments against many business regulations, but the conflation of the principles of personal Libertarianism with corporate freedom is the greatest deception created by the rich and powerful men behind the curtain.
BTW, my business cost me about $800 to start up, less than $100 of that was government fees.
TE
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