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JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

May 12, 2011 - 06:00pm PT

DMT, did you consider the last sentence you quoted? I personally think it isn't worth the cost. Apparently, so do you.

john

Mighty Hiker

climber

Vancouver, B.C.

May 12, 2011 - 06:05pm PT

What % of US gross domestic product is now agriculture-related? As John says, strategically it may be an important percentage, but it seems likely that it has been steadily declining for the last century, as has farm employment. Likewise consolidation of the the industry.

Virtually every industrialized country determinedly protects domestic agriculture interests.

David Knopp

Trad climber

May 12, 2011 - 06:27pm PT

shut up and pull-

Rick Perry? You must be shitting me-the man is a hypocrite of the highest order-i almost choked on my milk when i saw him begging for federal aid after the wildfires in his state. They may deserve it, but when you piss and moan about the federal gov't being too big too intrusive too whatever, then you shouldn't come crying to it for aid, and then bitch when it turns you down. Yep, you should just roll up your sleeves and pull yourself up by your republican bootstraps.

and then there is this bullshit:

http://www.rickupshaw.com/personal/passions/texas/rick-perry-plea-for-prayer

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

May 12, 2011 - 06:29pm PT

I'm saying democrats and republicans are equally responsible for the ag industry subsidies. Its corporate welfare of the highest order. The very same people who argue for free trade and against trade barriers typically don't have the courage to face the truth of the situation.

Fix the problem, not the blame!

Hawkeye

climber

State of Mine

May 12, 2011 - 06:49pm PT

1. The Dems ram through Obamacare with nearly 60% of the country opposing it. Nancy Pelosi says, "We have to pass this bill to find out what's in it!"

suap! i bet you can relate when you have to pull your head out of your arse in order to look in the mirror....

rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

May 13, 2011 - 08:40am PT

61 thousand a year to deal with full on retards...I know a guy who visited a prison with the hopes of getting employment as a guard....he lasted about a day with all the death threats and promises of getting raped.....Why do you think plumbers make good money...cause they have to do some hideous job like crawling under insect infested buildings....61 thou doesn't go very far in todays economy...Quit repeating mindless blather DT...

bookworm

Social climber

Falls Church, VA

May 13, 2011 - 09:48am PT

i admit W had some funny speaking mistakes, but i tend to see these as simply human rather than an indication of ignorance...and, of course, i think barry has had an equal number of mistakes (my favorite from the campaign: "we've visited 58 states") and gets a pass from the media/libs

here's barry's latest:

“Internationally, we’ve gone through a Teutonic shift in the Middle East that could have enormous ramifications for years to come,” he said.

teutonic: a reference to ancient germans

hmmm...ancient germans are taking over the middle east?

but, later in the day, the wh staff corrected the transcript to read "tectonic"

tectonic: "of or pertaining to building or construction"

so barry can't even correct his speech correctly...does anybody in the wh staff know what they're doing?

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

May 13, 2011 - 09:53am PT

10) "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream." —LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000 (Listen to audio clip)

9) "I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." —Greater Nashua, N.H., Jan. 27, 2000(Listen to audio clip)

8) "I hear there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have a draft." —second presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004 (Listen to audio clip)

7) "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." —Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000 (Listen to audio clip)

6) "You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." —to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005 (Listen to audio clip)

5) "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." —Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004 (Watch video clip; listen to audio clip)

4) "They misunderestimated me." —Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 2000

3) "Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?" —Florence, S.C., Jan. 11, 2000

2) "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004 (Watch video clip; listen to audio clip)

1) "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 (Watch video clip; listen to audio clip)

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

May 13, 2011 - 09:54am PT

50. "I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here." --at the President's Economic Forum in Waco, Texas, Aug. 13, 2002

49. "We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease." --Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001

48. "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test." -Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001

47. "I am here to make an announcement that this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly out of Ronald Reagan Airport." --Washington, D.C., Oct. 3, 2001

46. "Tribal sovereignty means that; it's sovereign. I mean, you're a -- you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities." --Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004 (Watch video clip)

45. "I couldn't imagine somebody like Osama bin Laden understanding the joy of Hanukkah." --at a White House menorah lighting ceremony, Washington, D.C., Dec. 10, 2001 (Listen to audio clip)

44. "You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." --interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006

43. "The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th." --Washington, D.C., July 12, 2007

42. "I'm the commander -- see, I don't need to explain -- I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being president." --as quoted in Bob Woodward's Bush at War

41. "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties." --discussing the Iraq war with Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson in 2003, as quoted by Robertson

40. 3. "I think I was unprepared for war." –on the biggest regret of his presidency, ABC News interview, Dec. 1, 2008

39. "I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me." --talking to key Republicans about Iraq, as quoted by Bob Woodward

38. "I hear there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have a draft." --presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004 (Watch video clip)

37. "I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." --Greater Nashua, N.H., Chamber of Commerce, Jan. 27, 2000 (Listen to audio clip)

36. "Do you have blacks, too?" --to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Washington, D.C., Nov. 8, 2001

35. "This foreign policy stuff is a little frustrating." --as quoted by the New York Daily News, April 23, 2002

34. "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." --on "Good Morning America," Sept. 1, 2005, six days after repeated warnings from experts about the scope of damage expected from Hurricane Katrina

33. "I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." --Saginaw, Mich., Sept. 29, 2000

32. "I would say the best moment of all was when I caught a 7.5 pound largemouth bass in my lake." --on his best moment in office, interview with the German newspaper Bild am Sonntag, May 7, 2006

31. "They misunderestimated me." --Bentonville, Ark., Nov. 6, 200030. "For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it." --Philadelphia, Penn., May 14, 2001

29. "This is an impressive crowd -- the haves and the have mores. Some people call you the elite -- I call you my base." --at the 2000 Al Smith dinner

28. "Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream." --LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000

27. "I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe -- I believe what I believe is right." --Rome, Italy, July 22, 2001

26. "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." --Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005 (Listen to audio clip)

25. "People say, how can I help on this war against terror? How can I fight evil? You can do so by mentoring a child; by going into a shut-in's house and say I love you." --Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2002

24. "I wish you'd have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it...I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with answer, but it hadn't yet...I don't want to sound like I have made no mistakes. I'm confident I have. I just haven't -- you just put me under the spot here, and maybe I'm not as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one." --after being asked to name the biggest mistake he had made, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2004

23. "You forgot Poland." --to Sen. John Kerry during the first presidential debate, after Kerry failed to mention Poland's contributions to the Iraq war coalition, Miami, Fla., Sept. 30, 2004

22. "Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter." --in parting words to world leaders at his final G-8 Summit, punching the air and grinning widely as those present looked on in shock, Rusutsu, Japan, July 10, 2008

21. "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." --State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003, making a claim that administration officials knew at the time to be false

20. "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." --Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 2001

19. "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." --Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002

18. "So what?" –President Bush, responding to a an ABC News correspondent who pointed out that Al Qaeda wasn't a threat in Iraq until after the U.S. invaded, Dec. 14, 2008

17. "Can we win? I don't think you can win it." --after being asked whether the war on terror was winnable, "Today" show interview, Aug. 30, 2004

16. "I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace." --Washington, D.C. June 18, 2002

15. "I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job." --to a group of Amish he met with privately, July 9, 2004

14. "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." --speaking underneath a "Mission Accomplished" banner aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, May 1, 2003

13. "We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories ... And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." --Washington, D.C., May 30, 2003

12. "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere!" --joking about his administration's failure to find WMDs in Iraq as he narrated a comic slideshow during the Radio & TV Correspondents' Association dinner, Washington, D.C., March 24, 2004 (Read more)

11. "I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office." --Washington, D.C., May 12, 2008

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

May 13, 2011 - 09:55am PT

10. "Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?" --Florence, South Carolina, Jan. 11, 2000

9. "As yesterday's positive report card shows, childrens do learn when standards are high and results are measured." --on the No Child Left Behind Act, Washington, D.C., Sept. 26, 2007 (Watch video clip)

8. "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." --Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000 (Listen to audio clip)

7. "I'm the decider, and I decide what is best. And what's best is for Don Rumsfeld to remain as the Secretary of Defense." --Washington, D.C. April 18, 2006 (Read more; listen to audio clip; watch video clip)

6. "There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once, shame on --shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again." --Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 (Watch video clip)

5. "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." --Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004 (Watch video clip)

4. "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." --Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004 (Watch video clip)

3. "You work three jobs? ... Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." --to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005 (Listen to audio clip)

2. "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job." --to FEMA director Michael Brown, who resigned 10 days later amid criticism over his handling of the Hurricane Katrina debacle, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005 (Listen to audio clip; watch video clip)

1. "My answer is bring them on." --on Iraqi insurgents attacking U.S. forces, Washington, D.C., July 3, 2003

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

May 13, 2011 - 09:56am PT

Gary

climber

Desolation Basin, Calif.

May 13, 2011 - 10:23am PT

I'm sure everyone will see the light, and realize how much better off we'd be in CA, if we could just somehow convert the richest state in the nation into a poverty stricken red-state hellhole

The California GOP platform!

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

May 13, 2011 - 12:31pm PT

jghedge's arguments comparing percentages of state deficits to percentages of federal deficits is meaningless. States cannot print money, and therefore cannot monetize their debts.

California has shown no ability as a state to pay for what it spends. The ultra-partisan nature of California Democrats' and Republicans' solutions are two sides of the same coin: let someone else (who votes for the other party) pay for it. Until we have a change in the governance of our state to allow meaningful participation by centrists, I see no change for the better.

John

Edited to correct typo (that DMT caught)

JEleazarian

Trad climber

Fresno CA

May 13, 2011 - 12:33pm PT

Only in your Fantasyland are the rates we have now sustainable.

The rates of what? The tax rates represent the historical tax take since WWII. The spending rates, on the other hand, represent by far the highest in that same time period.

John

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber

Swimming in LEB tears.

May 13, 2011 - 12:47pm PT

Fatty posted

And, McCain is against enhanced interrogation, he lived it, much more than any enemy combatant in Gitmo. But, he is wrong on this.

This should just be repeated over and over again.

Norton

Social climber

the Wastelands

May 13, 2011 - 12:54pm PT

Yes, repeated over and over.

Fatty's powerful intellect is on display.

Clean, precise deductive reasoning.

Clear example of how to contradict one's own self in only two brief sentences.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

May 13, 2011 - 12:55pm PT

Pretty much explains why NOT ONE repub got elected to statewide office in CA, eh?

Can you say "Gerrymandering"
Can you say "funneling taxpayers money through public unions to buy off the whores in Sacramento"

How do you "Gerrymander" a statewide office?

What whores were bought off that resulted in statewide offices being filled with democrats?

apogee

climber

May 13, 2011 - 01:02pm PT

"here's barry's latest:"

bookworm, I'll admit the guilty pleasure of a cheap shot when it comes to highlighting Shrub's (fairly regular) oratory mis-steps- anyone who is critical of government ought to articulate much more substantive issues.

It's just that, in Shrub's case...there were sooooooooo many of them.

Yes, Obama's only been in office a couple of years so far (seems like an eternity, don't it, Repubs?), but I seriously doubt that he has made anywhere near as many stooooopid statements during that time as Shrub did in the same time period.

Ken M

Mountain climber

Los Angeles, Ca

May 13, 2011 - 01:07pm PT

but, later in the day, the wh staff corrected the transcript to read "tectonic"

tectonic: "of or pertaining to building or construction"

so barry can't even correct his speech correctly...does anybody in the wh staff know what they're doing?

A tectonic shift is a term borrowed from geology, referring to a HUGE shift in underground structures that result in an earthquake.

In common parlance, it refers to any huge shift of any kind.

Bookworm, ya gotta read a few more books!