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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Mar 11, 2016 - 05:35pm PT
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The irony of so many people posting hateful propaganda towards DT is amusing and kinda sad.
Hate it hate, whether or not you feel justified doing so.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Mar 11, 2016 - 05:38pm PT
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Gimme a break. Bigot starts the fire, fans the flames and them watches in amusement.
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Norton
Social climber
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Mar 11, 2016 - 05:39pm PT
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yeah
the real irony is that Mr, Trump has not said or done anything to encourage this
it is not his fault that outside agitators show up with the intention of starting fights
Mr. Trump just wants to deliver his message, speaking about foreign policy, etc
the liberal main stream media is lapping this up and making Mr Trump look bad
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Mar 11, 2016 - 05:40pm PT
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Rules are made for people who need rules.
I understand the concept you refer to, Escoperto, but what would you have us do, to reduce the amount of let's just take one example - discrimination against black people in America? Leave it to the common sense of people?
One would, of course HOPE that would be the way to go, but history(and current events) show us this is not a feasible solution(at least, if you are a black American).
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Mar 11, 2016 - 05:55pm PT
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Um, maybe Norton is being sarcastic.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 11, 2016 - 06:40pm PT
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Rules are made for people who need rules.
As I said previously, if government is involved, I support the equal application of rights protection.
But I think the government should step out of a great many things. If the government is doing nothing, then they are doing nothing for everyone.
The government is a poor referee. I do not submit my freedom to make them the great referee of how people should live their life, and I'm pretty sure that was the crux of the whole constitution.
Protect rights equally, but afford the freedom for people - all people- to live, earn, fail and succeed on their own. The minute government tries to level the playing field, like many things the government does, it normally has the exact OPPOSITE intended effect. And the elite take further advantage.
As it turns out, black people are pretty smart. They can figure it out just like the rest of us. They can do it, I've seen it happen.
Why on earth have we not demanded that the last and most powerful pieces of Jim Crow legislation get wiped from the legal books once and for all? The right for black people to defend themselves.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 11, 2016 - 06:52pm PT
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Who's "offended" by a picture on the wall at Joe's Crab Shack? I guess a hundred years after the fact is still too soon.
Do you remember the Rialto Fireworks Factory Explosion And Suicide? A guy working at a fireworks factory committed suicide by blowing up the building. He called his wife a minute before he lit the big fuse, and said "Look out the window, Honey. You're about to see a hell of a flash." I felt the explosion twenty miles away, along with everyone else in the San Bernardino Valley.
When the picture of the flattened building came out in the paper, I framed it and captioned it "I wanted a BUD Light" to play along with the Budweiser ad campaign running at the time, and hung it on the wall of the bar where I worked.
Did I care that someone died there - suicide - and left behind a wife and family? Did I care that a couple days after the event was too soon to work it for a laugh? Hell no. I had beer to move.
Your Freedom to post tasteless sh#t on a bar wall without being second-guessed is gone, along with the bar owner's right to decide if people are allowed to smoke in his bar.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Mar 11, 2016 - 07:03pm PT
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Home free after 100 years for LYNCHING? Sure why not.
How about gassing people and burning them in an oven. 150 years?
Maybe some photos of Auschwitz "skeleton people" and a caption like "can I get you some fries with that gas?" on the wall at IHOP.
If you can dig it, look here.
http://maragon31.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/aushweitz4.jpg
"Lynching in America: Confronting the Legacy of Racial Terror" documents 3,959 racial terror lynchings of African Americans in 12 states between 1877 and 1950. The report asserts the lynching of African Americans was "terrorism" and a widely supported "phenomenon used to enforce racial subordination and segregation." The systemic abuse and murder of African Americans was widely supported by the white dominant culture - so much so that the picture displayed at the Crab Shack showed crowds of people who gathered to attend the grotesque event.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 11, 2016 - 07:28pm PT
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Well, in the case of public buildings - such as city hall, courthouse, etc. That's a no brainier in my view.
If you are hanging a shingle out and intend to serve the general public, I could get talked into the rationale around requiring making your establishment ADA capable (although some of the codes are absolutely f*#king stoopid and counterproductive) But honestly I'm starting to backslide on some of these things a little, especially in the case of the gay people requiring a wedding cake insanity.
If you want to have a facility that caters to a club or specific group of people. And you want to flip off anyone that doesn't meet your criteria - whatever it is - then by all means they can rip out the ramp. In that case you aren't open to the public per se. I could care less if they decided they didn't want black, white, blue or purple people. If that's how you want to organize and structure your business, go for it.
Relevant side story: I came across a small business owner in SoCal that I helped come up with a really great inventive solution to a parking problem. It was a convenience store that I used to buy my Copenhagen from. He gave me a good price (well, good relatively speaking since the majority of the expense was actually taxes) so I liked to stop in there. He was nice.
Anyway, It was a tiny place with only a handful of close parking spaces and two of them were taken up by the requisite handicap spots. It was kind of an inconvenient place to go due to the parking and he was lamenting the fact that in 6 years or something, he had never had anyone park in one of the handicap spots. 6 years and he felt like the inconvenience of parking was costing him customers.
So I said, "why don't you just paint 2 spots in the middle of the parking lot right in front." It still meets the requirements, it lets you utilize the 2 prime spots for regular customers and if a handicapped person happens in after 6 years, who cares if its a bit of a road block for a little while as they would be parked in the middle of the parking lot. A minor inconvenience for a short period of time.
It worked awesome. He never got a handicapped customer, got to use the two spaces but still reserved space in case someone came in.
Two years later the fire department fined him for potentially blocking a fire lane. Made him change back. A boot stamping on every face - forever.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Mar 11, 2016 - 07:40pm PT
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Jim,
Per ADA:
In San Diego, a Guamanian friend named Dave had a bicycle shop with a coffee shop next to it. Nicest guy, would fix simple stuff for free, throw in surplus parts for free.
One day a couple years ago a lawyer showed up and said Dave didn't have handicapped access at his shop and threatened legal action. The lawyer had been stopping at every store front on University Ave for the shakedown.
I don't know all the legal details, but Dave was devastated. He sold his shop a couple months later.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 11, 2016 - 07:44pm PT
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Poor dumb bastard, trying to run a bike shop.
Imagine, right out of the blue, you're hit with a $10,000 automatic liability ( the going rate for the A.D.A. parking shakedown ). That'd set you back. Wouldn't it? It'd set anybody back. And for what?
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 11, 2016 - 07:50pm PT
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The morass of governmental licenses, approvals, permits and shakedowns required to start a business today is something I wouldn't wish on anyone.
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cuvvy
Sport climber
arkansas
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Mar 11, 2016 - 07:51pm PT
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Donald is a whacko. Anyone who supports him is obviously uneducated and on the high end of the loser scale, IMO
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 11, 2016 - 07:59pm PT
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You drinkin Jimbo?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Mar 11, 2016 - 08:24pm PT
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And then there's the undue hardship component of ADA accessability that keeps a little common sense in compliance...Of course you need an attorney to decipher the fine print...Ironic that George W. passed this law..
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 11, 2016 - 08:35pm PT
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Mar 11, 2016 - 08:41pm PT
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^ lie detector ? ( or breathalyzer ) ^
So I'm not alone in my thinking then?
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