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Norton
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May 20, 2016 - 03:40pm PT
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Bernie would win.
interesting, couch
Bernie has two problems, one being that he is on the verge of being mathematically eliminated, as in impossible, to be the Democratic nominee, I am sure you know this
Secondly, just for fun let's play the game and say the Bernie actually becomes the nominee
well then, he would finally be "vetted", which he not been because no money spending arm of the Republican party has, rightfully, taken him seriously
and you know what vetting means? It means that everything he has ever said and done will become full blown national knowledge
and that would include 500 million dollars of Republican super pac money telling America that Bernie was, well here you go
While attending the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
After graduating with a political science degree, Sanders moved to Vermont, where he headed the American People’s History Society, an organ for Marxist propaganda. There, he produced a glowing documentary on the life of socialist revolutionary Eugene Debs, who was jailed for espionage during the Red Scare and hailed by the Bolsheviks as “America’s greatest Marxist.”
No, Bernie would get buried by his past but why waste money telling America about him when it now a fact that it is Hillary Clinton, and not Bernie, who will face and badly beat, the Reality TV Show billionaire.
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dirtbag
climber
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May 21, 2016 - 06:37am PT
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While attending the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
After graduating with a political science degree, Sanders moved to Vermont, where he headed the American People’s History Society, an organ for Marxist propaganda. There, he produced a glowing documentary on the life of socialist revolutionary Eugene Debs, who was jailed for espionage during the Red Scare and hailed by the Bolsheviks as “America’s greatest Marxist.”
And there you have it. Has Hillary or a super pac committed to demolishing him (are there any?) brought this up?
No. I follow politics as closely as the next schmuck, and I hadn't heard that, though I'm not surprised. I'm sure there is more.
DMT is 100% correct that background is toxic. Americans have a long-held fear of socialism, it goes back to the Cold War. The right wing wouldn't let this slide.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 21, 2016 - 06:45am PT
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The Clinton/Obama race in 2008 was much closer that this one, Bernie is toast, time to step aside.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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May 21, 2016 - 07:48am PT
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monolith, "begging" on either side isn't going to happen, but I do agree that he should be under serious consideration as the VP. I'm beginning to think it would be a good idea.
What's likely going on in the last 2 weeks prior to June 7th - where Bernie knows he's going to officially lose the nomination - is back-channel negotiations to end the race with the least amount of harm to the party. Losing is tough; letting down supporters who had high expectations, that happens in every race, maybe more in this one due to the passions Bernie stirs up among young voters.
I'd hope to see less toxic rhetoric from Bernie going forward as he comes to grips with the political reality.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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May 21, 2016 - 09:12am PT
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Don't be so sure. She's got to bridge the enthusiasm gap.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 21, 2016 - 03:34pm PT
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Clinton doesn't have to bridge any gap - trump drives both sides of the election and time isn't on his side as he has too much of it between now and november. But Bernie on the other hand, can't carry the south or southwest no matter what and would definitely lose to trump.
Again, failure to vote for Hillary by either not voting, voting for someone else or voting for trump would not be helping the progressive movement in any way, shape or form. Four years of trump won't spark a revolution, but will lose the Supreme Court for a generation and that in and of itself will irreparably set back the progressive cause. Think about it for gods sake - even if a trump presidency did spark a 'revolution' and you got a progressive president and congress, none of the laws passed would survive legal / constitutional challenges from the right.
YOU WANT A REVOLUTION?
YOU WANT PROGRESSIVE CHANGE?
YOU WANT YOUR BULLET LIST TO HAVE EVEN A REMOTE CHANCE IN HELL IN THE FUTURE?
Then suck it up and vote for Hillary in order to secure the Supreme Court - any other course of action for a progressive voter is a vote everything they claim to believe and guaranteed to set back the progressive cause for a generation.
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Norton
Social climber
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May 21, 2016 - 03:45pm PT
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But Bernie on the other hand, can't carry the south or southwest no matter what and would definitely lose to trump.
yes, and what many people do not realize is that Bernie Sanders has not been "vetted"
Neither Hillary nor her super pac have gone really negative on Bernie, for very good reason as to not piss off his voters and possibly lose them from coming over.
And Trump and the Republicans see no reason to spend any money at all going negative and dirty on Bernie, why waste your money on someone who absolutely will be out of the picture in another month.
Bernie has a very "troubling" past, go ahead read the wikipedia page on Bernie, and what you will find is that he really was a proud Socialist, and arguably a "Marxist" Socialist with some now damaging, if vetted, youthful ties to "communism"
Let Bernie now fade away into history, be thankful he will not be the Democratic nominee because the Republicans would rip him to pieces in very embarrassing ways.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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May 21, 2016 - 04:27pm PT
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yeah, you are just so right Norton. Instead of social programs for the citizens, we should be about capitalism for the corporations. Everybody bend over, that's what we are here for. Just ask Hillary.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 21, 2016 - 06:51pm PT
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The battleground states are irrelevant if there isn't a battle which there won't be if you can't carry the south.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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May 24, 2016 - 06:24am PT
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^^^^^^ Well if he did, that was kind of lame. Changed my reg to Democrat to vote for the commie. The path to, and the Democratic National convention itself, is all about negotiation ( as I've said repeatedly). Same with the Republican convention. If Trump can do anything it's cut deals and he's doing that in spades. So I'm keeping the pressure on for now.
edit; selecting your VP now is kind of a hail Mary move in my opinion.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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May 24, 2016 - 07:47am PT
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Crank posted Don't be so sure. She's got to bridge the enthusiasm gap.
He doesn't want to be VP. She sure as sh#t doesn't want him to be VP. He can (and should and his wife has said he will) work super hard to campaign for Clinton just like Clinton campaigned for Obama. The Dem Convention will be a parade of Sanders and Warren and whoever else speaking eloquently about how amazing Clinton is which, coming on the heels of whatever amaaaaaaaaazing sh#t happens in Cleveland the week before, will make her plenty appealing to all but the most short sighted.
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couchmaster
climber
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May 24, 2016 - 08:15am PT
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skredrik, the correct sequence is this:
1st) Click the Utube link.
2nd) Comment.
You either have it backwards or skipped step #1. Hope I was of some assistance to you.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 24, 2016 - 08:28am PT
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It's a pity that couch's Hitlary interviewer didn't ask those people what college they went to,
or if they even graduated from high school.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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May 24, 2016 - 08:35am PT
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Reilly posted It's a pity that couch's Hitlary interviewer didn't ask those people what college they went to,
or if they even graduated from high school.
It doesn't matter that much. As Colbert says, people get a lobotomy when you stuff a camera in their face. These kinds of interviews set people up for failure to begin with, then you just interview 50 people and take the funniest 10 and edit them together. They aren't actually significant of anything beyond showing how people are willing to talk out their ass and other people are willing to exploit them for it.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 24, 2016 - 08:37am PT
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Yer right but that's still an indictment of their education. In my junior high debate society we
learned to think before opening our pie holes, except at lunch.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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May 24, 2016 - 08:50am PT
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skredrik, the correct sequence is this:
1st) Click the Utube link.
2nd) Comment.
You either have it backwards or skipped step #1. Hope I was of some assistance to you.
Couch. I clicked on the link first and got the video unavailable response. Anyway, the name of "Madoff" should have been enough to clue me in.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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May 24, 2016 - 08:59am PT
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I think it would awesome to see Hitlery pick Bernie as her VP. Recipe for success if you ask me. Success in terms of getting Donald Drumph hired as el presidente.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 24, 2016 - 09:12am PT
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You'd have to be a complete idiot yourself to think those interviews and subjects are real.
What, yer sayin' those were droids? You have a higher opinion of yer fellow Murricans than me.
Fake it might be but knott unrealistic.
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